Bug#1029505: python3-minimal installs recommend package python3
Control: tag -1 - unreproducible, moreinfo Hi Ricardo (2023.01.29_04:09:09_-0400) > Here you see the python3.11 installation, but it's because apt is pulling > the recommends by default. Ah, yes. My minimal chroot wasn't minimal enough. I see that python3.X-minimal Recommends python3.x. I don't know the origin of this Recommends, but it's been there a long time. And it really does stand. We don't recommend that anyone use the -minimal interpreter on its own. It exists for use-cases where size really matters, like installer environments, and Recommends would generally be disabled in those scenarios. We strongly discourage anything in Debian from depending on the minimal packages: https://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/python-policy/index.html#minimal-packages So, let's go back to first principles. What problem are you trying to solve that requires the minimal interpreter, but also wants Recommends enabled? SR -- Stefano Rivera http://tumbleweed.org.za/ +1 415 683 3272
Bug#1029505: python3-minimal installs recommend package python3
Hi Stefano: Tested with a simple container: $ docker run -it debian:sid bash # apt update && apt install python3-minimal Get:1 http://deb.debian.org/debian sid InRelease [167 kB] Get:2 http://deb.debian.org/debian sid/main amd64 Packages [9406 kB] Fetched 9573 kB in 3s (3532 kB/s) Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree... Done Reading state information... Done 25 packages can be upgraded. Run 'apt list --upgradable' to see them. Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree... Done Reading state information... Done The following additional packages will be installed: krb5-locales libexpat1 libgpm2 libgssapi-krb5-2 libk5crypto3 libkeyutils1 libkrb5-3 libkrb5support0 libmpdec3 libncursesw6 libnsl2 libpython3.11-minimal libpython3.11-stdlib libreadline8 libsqlite3-0 libssl3 libtinfo6 libtirpc-common libtirpc3 media-types ncurses-base ncurses-bin python3.11 python3.11-minimal readline-common Suggested packages: gpm krb5-doc krb5-user python3.11-venv python3.11-doc binutils binfmt-support readline-doc The following NEW packages will be installed: krb5-locales libexpat1 libgpm2 libgssapi-krb5-2 libk5crypto3 libkeyutils1 libkrb5-3 libkrb5support0 libmpdec3 libncursesw6 libnsl2 libpython3.11-minimal libpython3.11-stdlib libreadline8 libsqlite3-0 libssl3 libtirpc-common libtirpc3 media-types python3-minimal python3.11 python3.11-minimal readline-common The following packages will be upgraded: libtinfo6 ncurses-base ncurses-bin 3 upgraded, 23 newly installed, 0 to remove and 22 not upgraded. Need to get 10.4 MB of archives. After this operation, 33.6 MB of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Here you see the python3.11 installation, but it's because apt is pulling the recommends by default. Check this other execution with the argument "--no-install-recommends": # apt install python3-minimal --no-install-recommends Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree... Done Reading state information... Done The following additional packages will be installed: libexpat1 libpython3.11-minimal libssl3 python3.11-minimal Suggested packages: binfmt-support Recommended packages: libpython3.11-stdlib python3.11 The following NEW packages will be installed: libexpat1 libpython3.11-minimal libssl3 python3-minimal python3.11-minimal 0 upgraded, 5 newly installed, 0 to remove and 25 not upgraded. Need to get 5009 kB of archives. After this operation, 18.9 MB of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue? [Y/n] The python3.11 is not installed. I think that python3.11 must be labeled inside suggests instead of recommends. On debian/control: 85,86c85 < Recommends: python3.11 < Suggests: binfmt-support --- Suggests: binfmt-support, python3.11 Thanks,
Bug#1029505: python3-minimal installs recommend package python3
Tag: -1 + moreinfo unreproducible Hi Ricardo (2023.01.23_09:39:34_-0400) > # apt install python3-minimal > Reading package lists... Done > Building dependency tree... Done > Reading state information... Done > The following additional packages will be installed: > libmpdec3 libpython3.10-minimal libpython3.10-stdlib media-types python3.10 > python3.10-minimal > Suggested packages: > python3.10-venv python3.10-doc binfmt-support > The following NEW packages will be installed: > libmpdec3 libpython3.10-minimal libpython3.10-stdlib media-types > python3-minimal python3.10 python3.10-minimal > 0 upgraded, 7 newly installed, 0 to remove and 5 not upgraded. > Need to get 5076 kB of archives. > After this operation, 20.4 MB of additional disk space will be used. > Do you want to continue? [Y/n] In a minimal chroot, I get: # apt install python3-minimal Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree... Done Reading state information... Done The following packages will be upgraded: python3-minimal 1 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 18 not upgraded. Need to get 25.7 kB of archives. After this operation, 0 B of additional disk space will be used. Get:1 http://deb.debian.org/debian unstable/main amd64 python3-minimal amd64 3.11.1-2 [25.7 kB] Fetched 25.7 kB in 0s (2065 kB/s) debconf: delaying package configuration, since apt-utils is not installed (Reading database ... 12792 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to unpack .../python3-minimal_3.11.1-2_amd64.deb ... Unpacking python3-minimal (3.11.1-2) over (3.11.1-1) ... Setting up python3-minimal (3.11.1-2) ... root@first-ghost:~# dpkg -l python3.11 Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold | Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend |/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) ||/ Name Version Architecture Description +++-==---= un python3.11 (no description available) You sure you don't have something else installed that's bringing it in? SR -- Stefano Rivera http://tumbleweed.org.za/ +1 415 683 3272
Bug#1029505: python3-minimal installs recommend package python3
Sorry, the request here is about the review of the change from recommended to suggested to avoid the auto install. Thanks,
Bug#1029505: python3-minimal installs recommend package python3
Sorry, the request here is about the review of the change from recommended to suggested to avoid the auto install. Thanks,
Bug#1029505: python3-minimal installs recommend package python3
Package: python3-minimal Version: 3.11.1-1 Severity: normal X-Debbugs-Cc: r...@rfmoz.eu Dear Maintainer, The execution of apt installs the full python package: # apt install python3-minimal Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree... Done Reading state information... Done The following additional packages will be installed: libmpdec3 libpython3.10-minimal libpython3.10-stdlib media-types python3.10 python3.10-minimal Suggested packages: python3.10-venv python3.10-doc binfmt-support The following NEW packages will be installed: libmpdec3 libpython3.10-minimal libpython3.10-stdlib media-types python3-minimal python3.10 python3.10-minimal 0 upgraded, 7 newly installed, 0 to remove and 5 not upgraded. Need to get 5076 kB of archives. After this operation, 20.4 MB of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue? [Y/n] If you hold it "apt-mark hold python3.10". The python3-minimal is installed as usual. The full python package is a recommended package, not a requirement for python3-minimal. Thanks, -- System Information: Debian Release: bookworm/sid APT prefers unstable APT policy: (500, 'unstable') Architecture: amd64 (x86_64) Kernel: Linux 4.19.0-5-amd64 (SMP w/2 CPU threads) Kernel taint flags: TAINT_OOT_MODULE, TAINT_UNSIGNED_MODULE Locale: LANG=C, LC_CTYPE=C.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8), LANGUAGE not set Shell: /bin/sh linked to /usr/bin/dash Init: unable to detect Versions of packages python3-minimal depends on: ii dpkg1.21.12 ii python3.11-minimal 3.11.1-2 python3-minimal recommends no packages. python3-minimal suggests no packages. -- no debconf information
