Bug#106399: GRUB Legacy is feature frozen
Le mer 27 sep 2006 22:31:42 CEST, Robert Millan [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Frédéric, why don't you send a mail to grub-devel@gnu.org and ask about networking status? Perhaps if you help them get these network patches that are liing around integrated in GRUB 2, it'll be in time for the etch release. Yes, it's that I should have done before... But when I last looked at Grub2, network boot wasn't either in the objectives... It has changed a bit, but It seems to be yet in preliminary discussions. And I don't have knowledge to help a lot ... I really appreciate your interest in GRUB, but note that GRUB Legacy is a deprecated branch and we'll probably get rid of it post-etch, so it won't be of much help to add new features just now. I can understand your view point. I was only a bit sad to miss the integration so close. But if we want Etch to be out one day, we must freeze updates before. with regards, Frédéric.
Bug#106399: GRUB Legacy is feature frozen
tags 106399 upstream thanks On Thu, Sep 28, 2006 at 08:47:21AM +1000, Jason Thomas wrote: This bug started with simply turning on existing networking support. I've just read over all the messages and from memory there are problems with turning them all on at once. Now the patch that Fr�d�ric sent in does something completely different and adds a whole bunch of new code. Unfortunately we can't add this so close to release. Then it's an upstream issue. If we add this code while diverging from upstream it is dangerous. OTOH, if upstream find the code correct and commits it to CVS, then we're just talking about a new CVS snapshot. I think only the latter would be acceptable. I would really encourage Frédéric (or anyone else) to try to get it done in GRUB 2 instead. Post-etch we might even get rid of GRUB Legacy making this work mostly useless. As I said in my first reply to this bug. I don't use this feature and know very little about it. So its upto someone else to explain how this works. Ok, but if we're patching code this discussion/explanation really belongs in [EMAIL PROTECTED] Frédéric, if you really want to work on this for GRUB Legacy, please send your patch there first. -- Robert Millan My spam trap is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Note: this address is only intended for spam harvesters. Writing to it will get you added to my black list. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#106399: GRUB Legacy is feature frozen
On Thu, Sep 28, 2006 at 08:33:34AM +0200, Frédéric BOITEUX wrote: Le mer 27 sep 2006 22:31:42 CEST, Robert Millan [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Frédéric, why don't you send a mail to grub-devel@gnu.org and ask about networking status? Perhaps if you help them get these network patches that are liing around integrated in GRUB 2, it'll be in time for the etch release. Yes, it's that I should have done before... But when I last looked at Grub2, network boot wasn't either in the objectives... It has changed a bit, but It seems to be yet in preliminary discussions. And I don't have knowledge to help a lot ... I just found this in the GRUB 2 wiki (grub.enbug.org): http://www.inma.ucl.ac.be/~guffens/grub2_netboot/index.html It seems there's much more than preliminary patches. I suggest you get in touch with the person who did this. Also, Marco Gerards was doing some stuff IIRC. I really appreciate your interest in GRUB, but note that GRUB Legacy is a deprecated branch and we'll probably get rid of it post-etch, so it won't be of much help to add new features just now. I can understand your view point. I was only a bit sad to miss the integration so close. But if we want Etch to be out one day, we must freeze updates before. Thanks for understanding. I understand yours too, FWIW, and I appreciate your interest in making GRUB better. :) -- Robert Millan My spam trap is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Note: this address is only intended for spam harvesters. Writing to it will get you added to my black list. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#106399: GRUB Legacy is feature frozen
Le jeu 28 sep 2006 09:04:32 CEST, Robert Millan [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : I just found this in the GRUB 2 wiki (grub.enbug.org): http://www.inma.ucl.ac.be/~guffens/grub2_netboot/index.html It seems there's much more than preliminary patches. I suggest you get in touch with the person who did this. Also, Marco Gerards was doing some stuff IIRC. Oh, I didn't seee this. I'll look at it and try to propose test to help. bye, Frédéric
Bug#106399: GRUB Legacy is feature frozen
On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 08:34:22PM +0200, Robert Millan wrote: On Tue, Sep 26, 2006 at 10:21:58AM +0200, Frédéric BOITEUX wrote: Robert Millan wrote : tag 106399 wontfix GRUB Legacy is now feature frozen, both in upstream and in debian. We only accept bug fixes or very essential features (e.g. to support something new that is going to become mandatory for some reason). We should be stabilising for the etch release rather than introducing new sources of potential problems. Please, rather than directing your work at a frozen branch, look at wether your proposed feature makes sense in GRUB 2. GRUB 2 is in active development (both debian and upstream) and new features are welcome there. Hello, This feature is important to me, isn't new (I've propsed help 2 years ago, and submitted a patch one month ago as requested), and won't be available in Grub2 soon (no network support now !)... My patch added a new package, not modifying current ones.. Too bad for other Debian users :-( What do the other maintainers say? (specialy Jason who has been tracking this bug for quite long) Btw, upstream tells me there are networking patches pending commit (both from Vincent Guffens and Marco Gerards). Perhaps you could talk to them and see if that works for you? Note that GRUB 2 is (hopefuly) going to be included in etch too, and it doesn't suffer from any release-related freeze restrictions. -- Robert Millan My spam trap is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Note: this address is only intended for spam harvesters. Writing to it will get you added to my black list. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#106399: GRUB Legacy is feature frozen
On Tue, Sep 26, 2006 at 10:21:58AM +0200, Frédéric BOITEUX wrote: Robert Millan wrote : tag 106399 wontfix GRUB Legacy is now feature frozen, both in upstream and in debian. We only accept bug fixes or very essential features (e.g. to support something new that is going to become mandatory for some reason). We should be stabilising for the etch release rather than introducing new sources of potential problems. Please, rather than directing your work at a frozen branch, look at wether your proposed feature makes sense in GRUB 2. GRUB 2 is in active development (both debian and upstream) and new features are welcome there. Hello, This feature is important to me, isn't new (I've propsed help 2 years ago, and submitted a patch one month ago as requested), and won't be available in Grub2 soon (no network support now !)... My patch added a new package, not modifying current ones.. Too bad for other Debian users :-( What do the other maintainers say? (specialy Jason who has been tracking this bug for quite long) -- Robert Millan My spam trap is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Note: this address is only intended for spam harvesters. Writing to it will get you added to my black list. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#106399: GRUB Legacy is feature frozen
Robert Millan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, Sep 26, 2006 at 10:21:58AM +0200, Frédéric BOITEUX wrote: Robert Millan wrote : tag 106399 wontfix GRUB Legacy is now feature frozen, both in upstream and in debian. We only accept bug fixes or very essential features (e.g. to support something new that is going to become mandatory for some reason). We should be stabilising for the etch release rather than introducing new sources of potential problems. Please, rather than directing your work at a frozen branch, look at wether your proposed feature makes sense in GRUB 2. GRUB 2 is in active development (both debian and upstream) and new features are welcome there. Hello, This feature is important to me, isn't new (I've propsed help 2 years ago, and submitted a patch one month ago as requested), and won't be available in Grub2 soon (no network support now !)... My patch added a new package, not modifying current ones.. Too bad for other Debian users :-( What do the other maintainers say? (specialy Jason who has been tracking this bug for quite long) Hello Robert, I think we need RM approval for it now since GRUB is part of Debian base system. Looks like it won't hurt too much since it'll be another binary package and my only worry is if it doesn't work well we could start to receive a lot of bug reports. I can understand the sadness of Frederic since he did a nice work on the patch but I'm not sure if is safe enough to apply it near of complete freeze :( -- O T A V I OS A L V A D O R - E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] UIN: 5906116 GNU/Linux User: 239058 GPG ID: 49A5F855 Home Page: http://www.freedom.ind.br/otavio - Microsoft gives you Windows ... Linux gives you the whole house.
Bug#106399: GRUB Legacy is feature frozen
On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 05:07:49PM -0300, Otavio Salvador wrote: Robert Millan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, Sep 26, 2006 at 10:21:58AM +0200, Frédéric BOITEUX wrote: Robert Millan wrote : tag 106399 wontfix GRUB Legacy is now feature frozen, both in upstream and in debian. We only accept bug fixes or very essential features (e.g. to support something new that is going to become mandatory for some reason). We should be stabilising for the etch release rather than introducing new sources of potential problems. Please, rather than directing your work at a frozen branch, look at wether your proposed feature makes sense in GRUB 2. GRUB 2 is in active development (both debian and upstream) and new features are welcome there. Hello, This feature is important to me, isn't new (I've propsed help 2 years ago, and submitted a patch one month ago as requested), and won't be available in Grub2 soon (no network support now !)... My patch added a new package, not modifying current ones.. Too bad for other Debian users :-( What do the other maintainers say? (specialy Jason who has been tracking this bug for quite long) Hello Robert, I think we need RM approval for it now since GRUB is part of Debian base system. Looks like it won't hurt too much since it'll be another binary package and my only worry is if it doesn't work well we could start to receive a lot of bug reports. I can understand the sadness of Frederic since he did a nice work on the patch but I'm not sure if is safe enough to apply it near of complete freeze :( Frédéric, why don't you send a mail to grub-devel@gnu.org and ask about networking status? Perhaps if you help them get these network patches that are liing around integrated in GRUB 2, it'll be in time for the etch release. I really appreciate your interest in GRUB, but note that GRUB Legacy is a deprecated branch and we'll probably get rid of it post-etch, so it won't be of much help to add new features just now. -- Robert Millan My spam trap is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Note: this address is only intended for spam harvesters. Writing to it will get you added to my black list. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#106399: GRUB Legacy is feature frozen
This bug started with simply turning on existing networking support. I've just read over all the messages and from memory there are problems with turning them all on at once. Now the patch that Fr?d?ric sent in does something completely different and adds a whole bunch of new code. Unfortunately we can't add this so close to release. Now if there was a way to build the existing network drivers and put them in a seperate package. That would probably be acceptable. I would prefer not to see a whole another copy of the grub images and tools with networking support (see the patch from junichi). As I said in my first reply to this bug. I don't use this feature and know very little about it. So its upto someone else to explain how this works. On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 08:34:22PM +0200, Robert Millan wrote: On Tue, Sep 26, 2006 at 10:21:58AM +0200, Fr??d??ric BOITEUX wrote: Robert Millan wrote : tag 106399 wontfix GRUB Legacy is now feature frozen, both in upstream and in debian. We only accept bug fixes or very essential features (e.g. to support something new that is going to become mandatory for some reason). We should be stabilising for the etch release rather than introducing new sources of potential problems. Please, rather than directing your work at a frozen branch, look at wether your proposed feature makes sense in GRUB 2. GRUB 2 is in active development (both debian and upstream) and new features are welcome there. Hello, This feature is important to me, isn't new (I've propsed help 2??years ago, and submitted a patch one month ago as requested), and won't be available in Grub2 soon (no network support now !)... My patch added a new package, not modifying current ones.. Too bad for other Debian users :-( What do the other maintainers say? (specialy Jason who has been tracking this bug for quite long) -- Robert Millan My spam trap is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Note: this address is only intended for spam harvesters. Writing to it will get you added to my black list.
Bug#106399: GRUB Legacy is feature frozen
Robert Millan wrote : tag 106399 wontfix GRUB Legacy is now feature frozen, both in upstream and in debian. We only accept bug fixes or very essential features (e.g. to support something new that is going to become mandatory for some reason). We should be stabilising for the etch release rather than introducing new sources of potential problems. Please, rather than directing your work at a frozen branch, look at wether your proposed feature makes sense in GRUB 2. GRUB 2 is in active development (both debian and upstream) and new features are welcome there. Hello, This feature is important to me, isn't new (I've propsed help 2 years ago, and submitted a patch one month ago as requested), and won't be available in Grub2 soon (no network support now !)... My patch added a new package, not modifying current ones.. Too bad for other Debian users :-( -- Frédéric
