Bug#291453: Installation report, Sarge/d-i rc2, 20050120, floppy install, x86

2005-01-27 Thread Frans Pop
reassign 291453 debian-installer-manual
retitle 291453 Information on how to obtain images needs reorganization
thanks

Just repeating the comments regarding the manual below to make them more 
accessible.

 My first problem was finding the correct floppy images. I think either
 section 5.1.4 of the manual (Booting the Installer on Intel x86/Booting
 from Floppies) or section 4.3 (Creating Floppies from Disk Images)
 should explain which images I need or at least link directly to the
 MANIFEST file. That link is now in section 4.2.1 where it is not easily
 found. A link to the ftp directory containing the floppies and to
 rawrite/rwwrtwin would also be handy. Also, I think that the section
 about floppy reliability should be moved from 5.3.1 to 4.3. These
 changes would get all important information about boot floppies in two
 places instead of four. OK, I can now see that section A.2.2 actually
 does some of what I ask for. Is it really necessary to spread
 information to all these places?

 In general, I also think that chapters 4 and 5 of the manual should be
 reorganized from Obtaining media and Boot to one chapter covering
 the entire process of different types of installations
 (Floppy/CD/Netboot/USB/harddrive). Sections A through C should be
 integrated with the beginning of the document.

 These comments apply to the installation manual at
 http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/index.html, as of
 2005-01-05. 


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Bug#291453: Installation report, Sarge/d-i rc2, 20050120, floppy install, x86

2005-01-20 Thread Klas Adolfsson
Package: installation-reports
Debian-installer-version: d-i rc2 floppies (root.img + boot.img + 
net-drivers.img)
uname -a: Linux pitr 2.4.27-2-586-tsc #1 Thu Dec 30 18:06:49 JST 2004 i586 
GNU/Linux
Date: 20050119-20
Method: Floppy boot and network installation
Machine: Fuijutsu desktop PC
Processor: Pentium II/200 MHz
Memory: 80 Mb
Root Device: NEC IDE 1,7Gb
Root Size/partition table (df output):
Filsystem 1K-blockAnvänt Tillgängl Anv% Monterat på
/dev/hda2   685777391811257376  61% /
tmpfs39400 0 39400   0% /dev/shm
/dev/hda1   793680708548 44816  95% /media/hda1

Output of lspci and lspci -n:
:00:00.0 0600: 8086:7030 (rev 02)
:00:0c.0 0601: 8086:7000 (rev 01)
:00:0c.1 0101: 8086:7010
:00:0c.2 0c03: 8086:7020 (rev 01)
:00:0d.0 0300: 1002:5654 (rev 40)
Base System Installation Checklist:
[O] = OK, [E] = Fel (beskriv utförligt nedan på engelska), [ ] = testade ej
Initial boot worked:[O]
Configure network HW:   [O]
Config network: [O]
Detect CD:  [E?]
Load installer modules: [O]
Detect hard drives: [O]
Partition hard drives:  [O]
Create file systems:[O]
Mount partitions:   [O]
Install base system:[O]
Install boot loader:[O/E]
Reboot: [E]
Comments/Problems:
--
First, some observations about the installation manual:
My first problem was finding the correct floppy images. I think either 
section 5.1.4 of the manual (Booting the Installer on Intel x86/Booting from 
Floppies) or section 4.3 (Creating Floppies from Disk Images) should explain 
which images I need or at least link directly to the MANIFEST file. That 
link is now in section 4.2.1 where it is not easily found. A link to the ftp 
directory containing the floppies and to rawrite/rwwrtwin would also be 
handy. Also, I think that the section about floppy reliability should be 
moved from 5.3.1 to 4.3. These changes would get all important information 
about boot floppies in two places instead of four. OK, I can now see that 
section A.2.2 actually does some of what I ask for. Is it really necessary 
to spread information to all these places?

In general, I also think that chapters 4 and 5 of the manual should be 
reorganized from Obtaining media and Boot to one chapter covering the 
entire process of different types of installations 
(Floppy/CD/Netboot/USB/harddrive). Sections A through C should be integrated 
with the beginning of the document.

These comments apply to the installation manual at 
http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/index.html, as of 2005-01-05.

Now to the installation:
I choose Swedish as my language in the first screen, but didn't get swedish 
until several screens later. That could have been really confusing if I 
hadn't understod english quite well.

On my admittedly very slow computer there are several blank screens that 
come up after a choice has been made and they sometimes last for more than a 
couple of seconds. This may give the impression that d-i has hung, but is no 
big problem.

I tried to get an old ISA network card working, but failed. I would have 
liked rmmod to be present on the system though, now I had to reboot 
(shifting three floppies) every time I wanted to try another IRQ. I finally 
gave up and replaced the network card with one that worked.

Shouldn't the installation floppies give me the choice to insert a CD (the 
netinst image for example)? It just downloaded everything from the Debian 
mirror. Or should I somehow have used the CD instead of the root floppy? The 
downloads went OK anyway, but not completely smooth. The installer tried to 
download Packages.gz three times before getting it right.

Partitioning went smoothly, I just reused (reformated) an old ext2 partition 
(hda2) where I used to have Hurd installed. I ignored a partition (hda1) 
with an old Debian (Linux) installation and reused a swap partition (hda3). 
There was a tiny skull indicated by my new root partition, but the installer 
happily allowed me to carry on and the manual doesn't mention it. What does 
it mean?

After doing the base install, I tried to install GRUB. It all seemed OK (My 
old Debian install was even identified correctly), but the reboot failed 
with GRUB hard disk error, so I had to start over from the beginning. I 
tried LILO instead, with success. This time though, my other Debian 
installation was not detected.

After the reboot I finally got the option to use my CD, but I settled for 
HTTP install anyway and it worked out just fine. I choose the web server and 
file server tasks, not sure at that point if file server meant NFS, Samba or 
FTP.

Conclusions:

I liked the new debian-installer very much, thank you. Even though I didn't 
use LVM or RAID this time I really appreciate your work with that. The GRUB 
problem is of course unacceptable, especially for people who hasn't got a 
clue about what a boot loader