Bug#309085: poedit should be in the same category in the menu as kbabel(kbabel is bugged also)

2005-05-14 Thread Eddy Petrisor
Package: poedit
Version: 1.3.1-1
Severity: minor

Poedit should be placed in the same category in the Debian menu as
Kbabel.

Poedit is in Apps/Editors, while kbabel is in Apps/Programming; they
should both reside, imho, in a sudirectory I18n an l10n tools of
programming, maybe.


-- System Information:
Debian Release: 3.1
  APT prefers testing
  APT policy: (600, 'testing'), (500, 'unstable')
Architecture: powerpc (ppc)
Kernel: Linux 2.6.9-sleep-pbg4
Locale: LANG=ro_RO.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=ro_RO.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8)

Versions of packages poedit depends on:
ii  gettext 0.14.1-10GNU Internationalization utilities
ii  libc6   2.3.2.ds1-21 GNU C Library: Shared libraries an
ii  libdb3  3.2.9-22 Berkeley v3 Database Libraries [ru
ii  libgcc1 1:3.4.3-12   GCC support library
ii  libstdc++5  1:3.3.5-12   The GNU Standard C++ Library v3
ii  libwxgtk2.4 2.4.2.6.1wxWindows Cross-platform C++ GUI t

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Bug#309085: poedit should be in the same category in the menu as kbabel(kbabel is bugged also)

2005-05-14 Thread Christian Perrier
Quoting Eddy Petrisor ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
 Package: poedit
 Version: 1.3.1-1
 Severity: minor
 
 Poedit should be placed in the same category in the Debian menu as
 Kbabel.
 
 Poedit is in Apps/Editors, while kbabel is in Apps/Programming; they
 should both reside, imho, in a sudirectory I18n an l10n tools of
 programming, maybe.
 

And gtranslator is in Apps/Text...:-)

So, Jordi and Ben, do you think we can try to have all our PO editing
tools in the same menu category?

Bill, any suggestions, as the Big Menu Master ? :-)





Bug#309085: poedit should be in the same category in the menu as kbabel(kbabel is bugged also)

2005-05-14 Thread Bill Allombert
On Sat, May 14, 2005 at 05:41:41PM +0200, Christian Perrier wrote:
 Quoting Eddy Petrisor ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
  Package: poedit
  Version: 1.3.1-1
  Severity: minor
  
  Poedit should be placed in the same category in the Debian menu as
  Kbabel.
  
  Poedit is in Apps/Editors, while kbabel is in Apps/Programming; they
  should both reside, imho, in a sudirectory I18n an l10n tools of
  programming, maybe.
  
 
 And gtranslator is in Apps/Text...:-)
 
 So, Jordi and Ben, do you think we can try to have all our PO editing
 tools in the same menu category?
 
 Bill, any suggestions, as the Big Menu Master ? :-)

I am too unfamiliar with theses tools to give an advice...
I just edit po files with vim.

The Debian menu sub-policy says that
Apps/Text:text oriented tools other than editors
Apps/Programming: debuggers, etc.
Apps/Editors: text editors, word processors

The number of menu entries in each categories:
Apps/Text:40
Apps/Programming: 151
Apps/Editors: 118

I _think_ Apps/Editors should be reserved to editors that can produce
documents (even if they are only plain-text), and so is ruled out.

I suppose I would favor Apps/Programming because kbabel look like a IDE.

Of course it is best to add menu hints like l10n. It is also possible
to use subsections of the above, but that must be done very carefully,
because a subsection with only one or 2 items is ugly, so you need to
expects users to have either 0 or =3 programs in this section.

Once sarge is released, I will launch a dicussion to update the menu
subpolicy. Afterward you will have cause to use these nifty l10n tools
since you will have to update the menu-section.pot files :).

Cheers,
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Bug#309085: poedit should be in the same category in the menu as kbabel(kbabel is bugged also)

2005-05-14 Thread Christian Perrier
 I am too unfamiliar with theses tools to give an advice...
 I just edit po files with vim.
 
 The Debian menu sub-policy says that
 Apps/Text:text oriented tools other than editors
 Apps/Programming: debuggers, etc.
 Apps/Editors: text editors, word processors

IMHO, this makes Apps/Text the most appropriate choice.

An argument pro Apps/Editors is that it's probably the first place
someone would try to find a PO file *editing* tool.

And, sincerely speaking I do not see manby arguments for
Apps/Programming. Using message catalogs eiditing tools is not
strictly speaking directly related to Programming and I find quite
unnatural to have to look here to find kbabel, poedit or gtranslator.

 I suppose I would favor Apps/Programming because kbabel look like a IDE.
 
 Of course it is best to add menu hints like l10n. It is also possible


I keep the suggestion of a l10n hint...you recently explained me the
use of menu hints. Good opportunity to use one.

Let's wait for kbabel and gtranslator maintainers input.




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Bug#309085: poedit should be in the same category in the menu as kbabel(kbabel is bugged also)

2005-05-14 Thread Ben Burton

 And, sincerely speaking I do not see manby arguments for
 Apps/Programming. Using message catalogs eiditing tools is not
 strictly speaking directly related to Programming and I find quite
 unnatural to have to look here to find kbabel, poedit or gtranslator.

FWIW, kbabel went into Apps/Programming partly because it ships as part
of the KDE software development kit, partly because it forms a key part
of developing software (if not developing actual C/C++ code), and partly
because upstream KDE have chosen to install kbabel in the Development
section of the K menu.

Having said this, I'm not actually tied in a deep way to any particular
option.

b.



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