Bug#321102: kmail without dimap

2007-01-19 Thread Bastian Venthur
Am 19.01.2007 16:37 schrieb Helmut Toplitzer:
 The popup will *only* kick-in when you have a DIMAP-(mail)-account.
 Using regular IMAP with workgroup-functions enabled, does not produce
 the popup.
 
 I'm using dimap with workgroup functions for 2 years now.
 Without problems. (It's easy if you know what NOT to do)

Yes, I agree. But that's also the problem. If you know what not to do,
then it might be possible to work with DIMAP without ever losing mails.
But looking at bugs.kde.org and searching for KMail bugs about mail loss
related to DIMAP reveals another truth: the users are not aware of those
bugs.

We could deliver KMail with DIMAP enabled, but then we'd have to make
sure that every user who's trying to create an DIMAP account is aware of
the risks. And by aware I mean that KMail must proactively provide this
information when trying to create such an account -- not just a file
hidden somewhere under /usr/share/doc. And every existing DIMAP user
should be at least once reminded that DIMAP is potentially unsafe for
production use.

But even if we could provide appropriate warnings, we'd still deliver
buggy and potentially harmful software in Debian stable...

I'd prefer to disable DIMAP completely -- better to cut down a single
feature than to expose our users to the risk of data loss. But that's
just my opinion and I'm not a KDE-maintainer.


Cheers,

Bastian

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Bug#321102: kmail without dimap

2007-01-19 Thread Bastian Venthur
Am 19.01.2007 15:46 schrieb Helmut Toplitzer:
 Please add something like 
 don't show warning again
 to the patch. Using the workgroup
 functions on dimap will be really 
 annoying otherwise. 

The popup will *only* kick-in when you have a DIMAP-(mail)-account.
Using regular IMAP with workgroup-functions enabled, does not produce
the popup.


There is BTW a bug in KMail when it tries to create those
workgroup-folders on the server (a nasty warning about folders not found
on the server) -- this is not related to my patch! I noticed this bug
before (my patch) when I tried to reproduce the mailloss. It happens
with DIMAP and IMAP.


Cheers,

Bastian

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Bug#321102: kmail without dimap

2007-01-19 Thread Helmut Toplitzer

 The popup will *only* kick-in when you have a DIMAP-(mail)-account.
 Using regular IMAP with workgroup-functions enabled, does not produce
 the popup.

I'm using dimap with workgroup functions for 2 years now.
Without problems. (It's easy if you know what NOT to do)

Otherwise workgroup functions are not useable without connection.

So please educate and don't annoy existing users.
This is a problem which existed in all dimap implementations till now
and is not a reason to kick existing users in the a

I understand your concerns but a warning everytime you start
kmail is not the right answer to this. So please make it
possible to disable the warning.

Thx.
Helmut



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Bug#321102: kmail without dimap

2007-01-19 Thread Helmut Toplitzer

Please add something like 
don't show warning again
to the patch. Using the workgroup
functions on dimap will be really 
annoying otherwise. 

Thx.
Helmut


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