Bug#337582: [Pbuilder-maint] Bug#337582: automatic creation of pbuilder user would be helpful
Hi, 2. running pbuilder under user privilege will require fakeroot which does not always work. In which cases does it work ? In which it doesn't ? It would be really helpful if one could use pbuilder without being root on the machine. For example, I have a user account to a PPC Debian box, but I can't run pbuilder on it because I'm not root. User-Mode-Linux is not a solution here, because it doesn't work on PowerPC. What's the solution in that case ? fakeroot sometimes did not work on some architecture. There were several packages which didn't work. Some packages used to do 'mount -o loop' in their build script that required real root privilege. (old boot-floppies used to do this) I would guess it's a rarer case now. regards, junichi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#337582: [Pbuilder-maint] Bug#337582: automatic creation of pbuilder user would be helpful
Hi, I may be missing some technical limitations of this that weren't ovious in the documentation, but it seems to me that the pbuilder Debian package could automatically create a pbuilder user, in a manner similar to many other programs, rather than relying on the user to do so themselves. What user does pbuilder require that it doesn't create? It doesn't *require* one, but according to section 6. of the User's Manual: pbuilder requires full root privilege when it is satisfying the build-dependencies, but most packages do not need root privilege, or fail to build when they are root. pbuilder can create a user which is only used inside pbuilder and use that user id when building, and use the fakeroot command when root privilege is required. Further, it is generally best practices to resort to full root privileges only when aboslutely necessary, and to work with user privileges whenever possible. I see two obvious ways to make such desirable behavior the default: 1) Automatically create a pbuilder user (as already suggested in /etc/pbuilderrc), as originally suggested in this bug report. Hmm... pbuilder user is used inside the chroot, and nothing to do with what happens outside; so that's one thing you might have misunderstood from my text. The reason for not making user 'pbuilder' with userid 1234 per default is that 1. the user might already be used outside the chroot 2. running pbuilder under user privilege will require fakeroot which does not always work. However, I think making fakeroot default might be a good idea since fakeroot is already prolific. regards, junichi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#337582: [Pbuilder-maint] Bug#337582: automatic creation of pbuilder user would be helpful
The reason for not making user 'pbuilder' with userid 1234 per default is that 1. the user might already be used outside the chroot I guess I don't see the problem that this implies. Are you assuming that the pbuilder user exists only inside of the chroot, or both inside and out? 2. running pbuilder under user privilege will require fakeroot which does not always work. However, I think making fakeroot default might be a good idea since fakeroot is already prolific. Agreed. :-) And that would certainly be enough to close this bug. ;-) Charles -- Makes good because it's made good Burma-Shave http://burma-shave.org/jingles/1939/makes_good_because signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#337582: [Pbuilder-maint] Bug#337582: automatic creation of pbuilder user would be helpful
On Fri, Nov 04, 2005 at 09:06:39PM -0500, Charles Fry wrote: I may be missing some technical limitations of this that weren't ovious in the documentation, but it seems to me that the pbuilder Debian package could automatically create a pbuilder user, in a manner similar to many other programs, rather than relying on the user to do so themselves. What user does pbuilder require that it doesn't create? -- Matt signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#337582: [Pbuilder-maint] Bug#337582: automatic creation of pbuilder user would be helpful
I may be missing some technical limitations of this that weren't ovious in the documentation, but it seems to me that the pbuilder Debian package could automatically create a pbuilder user, in a manner similar to many other programs, rather than relying on the user to do so themselves. What user does pbuilder require that it doesn't create? It doesn't *require* one, but according to section 6. of the User's Manual: pbuilder requires full root privilege when it is satisfying the build-dependencies, but most packages do not need root privilege, or fail to build when they are root. pbuilder can create a user which is only used inside pbuilder and use that user id when building, and use the fakeroot command when root privilege is required. Further, it is generally best practices to resort to full root privileges only when aboslutely necessary, and to work with user privileges whenever possible. I see two obvious ways to make such desirable behavior the default: 1) Automatically create a pbuilder user (as already suggested in /etc/pbuilderrc), as originally suggested in this bug report. or 2) Be default drop to the privileges of the user who invoked pbuilder to begin with. Charles -- In Cupid's little Bag of trix Here's the one That clix With chix Burma-Shave http://burma-shave.org/jingles/1947/in_cupids_little signature.asc Description: Digital signature
