Bug#352780: linux-image-2.6.15-1-686-smp: dependence on udev
On Mon, Mar 06, 2006 at 11:24:25PM -0800, Jurij Smakov wrote: Hi, The linux-image packages do not depend on udev itself, I guess that udev was pulled in due to the fact that initramfs-tools depends on it. You can, however, use an alternative initrd generator, yaird, to generate initrd. Yaird does not depend on udev, so that might be the option you are looking for. For details check out Yaird is mostly unmaintained at this date though, so be warned. Friendly, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#352780: linux-image-2.6.15-1-686-smp: dependence on udev
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 7 Mar 2006 09:17:55 +0100 Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Mar 06, 2006 at 11:24:25PM -0800, Jurij Smakov wrote: Hi, The linux-image packages do not depend on udev itself, I guess that udev was pulled in due to the fact that initramfs-tools depends on it. You can, however, use an alternative initrd generator, yaird, to generate initrd. Yaird does not depend on udev, so that might be the option you are looking for. For details check out Yaird is mostly unmaintained at this date though, so be warned. Please also note that the above comment is from a single member of the kernel team, not the kernel team in general. A single member who happen to be bitten by a single specific unsolved bug, for which the yaird maintainer (me) has refused to apply a workaround provided by him. Really, Sven. Please do not contaminate unrelated bugreports with your personal frustration over yaird! - Jonas - -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist og Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ - Enden er nær: http://www.shibumi.org/eoti.htm -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEDUqjn7DbMsAkQLgRAj+WAJ4mplK6apEsayEbEH9FmfQ3tc9uHACgl3HW 8IK5CHPvHnxrAQwZMpKsIFg= =6ENF -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Bug#352780: linux-image-2.6.15-1-686-smp: dependence on udev
On Tue, Mar 07, 2006 at 09:56:03AM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 7 Mar 2006 09:17:55 +0100 Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Mar 06, 2006 at 11:24:25PM -0800, Jurij Smakov wrote: Hi, The linux-image packages do not depend on udev itself, I guess that udev was pulled in due to the fact that initramfs-tools depends on it. You can, however, use an alternative initrd generator, yaird, to generate initrd. Yaird does not depend on udev, so that might be the option you are looking for. For details check out Yaird is mostly unmaintained at this date though, so be warned. Please also note that the above comment is from a single member of the kernel team, not the kernel team in general. A single member who happen to be bitten by a single specific unsolved bug, for which the yaird maintainer (me) has refused to apply a workaround provided by him. When was your last upload of yaird ? And when was your last contact with upstream, and it is suddenly no more true that you are able to make yaird fixes without needing upstream's authorization or approval ? If any of the above suddenly is no more an issue, please fix #345067, it has a patch, and there is no sane reason not to fix it, except poor excuses that you can't do so without approval from your upstream, who has been MIA since late december. Really, Sven. Please do not contaminate unrelated bugreports with your personal frustration over yaird! Well, i am frustrated, but seriously, do you consider that yaird is currently well maintained given the above situation ? I don't, and as thus oppose that it be presented as an alternative to initramfs-tools, unless you search co-maintainer who have an idea about the code, or otherwise take your maintainer job more seriously. Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#352780: linux-image-2.6.15-1-686-smp: dependence on udev
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 7 Mar 2006 10:36:37 +0100 Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Mar 07, 2006 at 09:56:03AM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: Please also note that the above comment is from a single member of the kernel team, not the kernel team in general. A single member who happen to be bitten by a single specific unsolved bug, for which the yaird maintainer (me) has refused to apply a workaround provided by him. please fix #345067, it has a patch, and there is no sane reason Really, Sven. Please do not contaminate unrelated bugreports with your personal frustration over yaird! Well, i am frustrated, but seriously, do you consider that yaird is currently well maintained given the above situation ? I don't, So all in all (ignoring the comments irrelevant to this bugreport) you agree with my statement. Thanks for the confirmation. - Jonas - -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist og Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ - Enden er nær: http://www.shibumi.org/eoti.htm -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEDVcun7DbMsAkQLgRAjj/AJ42tfAWRNELM9jSx9S135n3vUkJYQCgh0HK NzEcIFG7DWD3HIwr3QSJ6Fo= =Qh85 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Bug#352780: linux-image-2.6.15-1-686-smp: dependence on udev
On Tue, Mar 07, 2006 at 10:49:34AM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 7 Mar 2006 10:36:37 +0100 Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Mar 07, 2006 at 09:56:03AM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: Please also note that the above comment is from a single member of the kernel team, not the kernel team in general. A single member who happen to be bitten by a single specific unsolved bug, for which the yaird maintainer (me) has refused to apply a workaround provided by him. please fix #345067, it has a patch, and there is no sane reason Really, Sven. Please do not contaminate unrelated bugreports with your personal frustration over yaird! Well, i am frustrated, but seriously, do you consider that yaird is currently well maintained given the above situation ? I don't, So all in all (ignoring the comments irrelevant to this bugreport) you agree with my statement. Thanks for the confirmation. And you do agree that you are doing a piss-poor job of maintaining yaird, thanks for the confirmation, and now, what do you plan to do about it ? Anyway, i have, as you asked me in Erkelenz, escalated #345067 to the technical comitte, which only shows that you are unable to even look at a 3 line patch. Too bad, like said, i liked yaird better than initramfs-tools, too bad you are sabotaging it. Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#352780: linux-image-2.6.15-1-686-smp: dependence on udev
On Tuesday 07 March, 2006 ? 11:09:48AM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: On Tue, Mar 07, 2006 at 10:49:34AM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 7 Mar 2006 10:36:37 +0100 Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Mar 07, 2006 at 09:56:03AM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: Please also note that the above comment is from a single member of the kernel team, not the kernel team in general. A single member who happen to be bitten by a single specific unsolved bug, for which the yaird maintainer (me) has refused to apply a workaround provided by him. please fix #345067, it has a patch, and there is no sane reason Really, Sven. Please do not contaminate unrelated bugreports with your personal frustration over yaird! Well, i am frustrated, but seriously, do you consider that yaird is currently well maintained given the above situation ? I don't, So all in all (ignoring the comments irrelevant to this bugreport) you agree with my statement. Thanks for the confirmation. And you do agree that you are doing a piss-poor job of maintaining yaird, thanks for the confirmation, and now, what do you plan to do about it ? Anyway, i have, as you asked me in Erkelenz, escalated #345067 to the technical comitte, which only shows that you are unable to even look at a 3 line patch. Too bad, like said, i liked yaird better than initramfs-tools, too bad you are sabotaging it. Sven Luther Hi all, Yaird works perfectly fine on all our servers. The only time i tried initramfs-tools, my raid5 were messed up. it was a very serious issue for us. maybe it's a coincidence but i don't want to mess with initramfs-tools anymore. thanks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#352780: linux-image-2.6.15-1-686-smp: dependence on udev
On Tue, Mar 07, 2006 at 02:44:46PM +0100, Juan wrote: Yaird works perfectly fine on all our servers. The only time i tried initramfs-tools, my raid5 were messed up. it was a very serious issue for us. maybe it's a coincidence but i don't want to mess with initramfs-tools anymore. I don't said anything different, when yaird works, it works well, which is what makes it superior to the mess that is initramfs-tools/klibc/udev/whatever, at least at this time, but it is getting better. My claim was only that current maintainership seems to me to not ensure a timely fix to any future problems that may come up, and since we promised in our social contract to not hide problems, i take it upon myself to warn the yaird users. Friendly, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#352780: linux-image-2.6.15-1-686-smp: dependence on udev
Hi, The linux-image packages do not depend on udev itself, I guess that udev was pulled in due to the fact that initramfs-tools depends on it. You can, however, use an alternative initrd generator, yaird, to generate initrd. Yaird does not depend on udev, so that might be the option you are looking for. For details check out http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-initrd.html If this solution is acceptable, please consider closing this bug. Best regards, Jurij Smakov[EMAIL PROTECTED] Key: http://www.wooyd.org/pgpkey/ KeyID: C99E03CC -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#352780: linux-image-2.6.15-1-686-smp: dependence on udev
Package: linux-image-2.6.15-1-686-smp Severity: normal udev is just plain evil on a server. it shouldn't be mandatory. the modules listed /etc/modules do not get loaded in the specified order. it's a major problem for networking devices (ex e firewall). -- System Information: Debian Release: testing/unstable APT prefers testing APT policy: (500, 'testing') Architecture: i386 (i686) Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash Kernel: Linux 2.4.30-vs1.2.10 Locale: LANG=C, LC_CTYPE=fr_FR.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
