Bug#372295: please do *not* just shut down
There was a nice discussion on the ubuntu-devel m-l about the same topic. It seems that the ubuntu-devs changed the behaviour and presented the logout dialog if the power button is pressed (so people could cancel the shutdown) but some didn't like it because it needed manual intervention others argued it is a little bit more cumbersome but safer. Agreed, a logout dialogue is not the best solution, but how about the ability to cancel a shutdown? Example: Suspend2 lets you cancel by pressing Escape. Then, if you realised that you had to save a document, you could just cancel the shutdown. And it would also be useful in case you remember something you needed to do. Gnome-power-manager is probably not the place to implement this. Could you forward it to the correct place? The ability to cancel a shutdown is something I have wanted in an OS for a long time. Cheers, James Utter signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Bug#372295: please do *not* just shut down
+1 for this bug. My laptop has the power switch on the side, and I've already twice shut it down by accident. IMHO it is very bad usability to do destructive things at the push of one button. That should be configurable, with a safe default. (Why does the default install of KDE prompt me when I log out or press Ctrl-Alt-Del? That's much harder to do by mistake than touching a power switch.) Marcus -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#372295: please do *not* just shut down
Marcus Better wrote: +1 for this bug. My laptop has the power switch on the side, and I've already twice shut it down by accident. IMHO it is very bad usability to do destructive things at the push of one button. That should be configurable, with a safe default. It is configurable: /etc/powersave/events - EVENT_BUTTON_POWER The question is, which default makes the most sense. IMO shutting down on pressing the power button is what most users expect. (Think of the power switch of you tv) Setting the default to do nothing would displease others. What is lacking is a nice frontend to configure this (and possibly other) settings of powersaved. debconf would be an option. Michael -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Bug#372295: please do *not* just shut down
Package: powersaved Severity: important I am making this an important bug because I just lost some data thanks to powersaved, which I installed not to powersave, but because I am working on acpid and needed to test some interaction. Due to unfortunate circumstances, I touched the power button, and the next thing I knew were all my processes being SIGTERM'd. Please do *not* do that. Other operating systems display confirmation boxes. Unless you can do the same across all X and non-X machines, I suggest you rather disable that feature (or use debconf to find out whether the user wants to have it enabled). -- Please do not send copies of list mail to me; I read the list! .''`. martin f. krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' :proud Debian developer and author: http://debiansystem.info `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system signature.asc Description: Digital signature (GPG/PGP)
Bug#372295: please do *not* just shut down
martin f krafft wrote: Package: powersaved Severity: important I am making this an important bug because I just lost some data thanks to powersaved, which I installed not to powersave, but because I am working on acpid and needed to test some interaction. Due to unfortunate circumstances, I touched the power button, and the next thing I knew were all my processes being SIGTERM'd. Please do *not* do that. Other operating systems display confirmation boxes. Unless you can do the same across all X and non-X machines, I suggest you rather disable that feature (or use debconf to find out whether the user wants to have it enabled). Never got a complaint because of this. Seems people are expecting that the computer simply shuts down on pressing the power button. If you don't like this behaviour you could disable it by editing /etc/powersave/events and setting EVENT_BUTTON_POWER=ignore but this is probably not what you want. If you look a /usr/lib/powersave/scripts/wm_shutdown you will see that powersaved already tries to gracefully terminate and save the running session and not simply kill all running processes, e.g. the dcop ksmserver call in kde_shutdown() signals all KDE applications to save and exit. Unfortunately Linux has some many different desktop environments and window managers that it will be impossible to support them all. Still I'm reluctant to disable this feature because it's what most users do expect. acpid btw. has the same behaviour (/etc/acpi/powerbtn.sh) and gnome-power-manager too. There was a nice discussion on the ubuntu-devel m-l about the same topic. It seems that the ubuntu-devs changed the behaviour and presented the logout dialog if the power button is pressed (so people could cancel the shutdown) but some didn't like it because it needed manual intervention others argued it is a little bit more cumbersome but safer. It will also be hard to support DEs besides KDE and Gnome. So you see it will be hard to please everyone. Michael [1] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-May/018402.html -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Bug#372295: please do *not* just shut down
clone 372295 -1 reassign -1 gnome-power-manager thanks also sprach Michael Biebl [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006.06.09.1332 +0200]: Never got a complaint because of this. Seems people are expecting that the computer simply shuts down on pressing the power button. It's not what other operating systems do. If you don't like this behaviour you could disable it by editing /etc/powersave/events and setting EVENT_BUTTON_POWER=ignore but this is probably not what you want. No. IMHO, it should be the default. If you want it, you can always enable it. If you look a /usr/lib/powersave/scripts/wm_shutdown you will see that powersaved already tries to gracefully terminate and save the running session and not simply kill all running processes, e.g. the dcop ksmserver call in kde_shutdown() signals all KDE applications to save and exit. Unfortunately Linux has some many different desktop environments and window managers that it will be impossible to support them all. So then how about just not shutting down if you don't know how to handle the environment? Still I'm reluctant to disable this feature because it's what most users do expect. acpid btw. has the same behaviour (/etc/acpi/powerbtn.sh) and gnome-power-manager too. #285779 and I am cloning this bug against gnome-power-manager, although if you use that, it's likely that you are using GNOME, and that it already tries to be sane about it. There was a nice discussion on the ubuntu-devel m-l about the same topic. It seems that the ubuntu-devs changed the behaviour and presented the logout dialog if the power button is pressed (so people could cancel the shutdown) but some didn't like it because it needed manual intervention others argued it is a little bit more cumbersome but safer. It will also be hard to support DEs besides KDE and Gnome. So you see it will be hard to please everyone. That's why we have debconf. :) (hint, hint) -- Please do not send copies of list mail to me; I read the list! .''`. martin f. krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' :proud Debian developer and author: http://debiansystem.info `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system signature.asc Description: Digital signature (GPG/PGP)
