Bug#406616: Processed: Re: Bug#406616: etch daily installation report

[Per Olofsson]

Debian Bug Tracking System:
> > retitle 406616 print-server: foomatic-gui pulls in too many unrelated 
> > packages
> Bug#406616: etch daily installation report
> Changed Bug title.

I think we should remove foomatic-gui from print-server. The CUPS web
interface works well enough, and might be preferable for servers
anyway.

Desktop systems can use gnome-cups-manager or the KDE equivalent.

-- 
Pelle


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Bug#406616: etch daily installation report

[Frans Pop]

reassign 406616 tasksel 2.62
clone 406616 -1
retitle 406616 print-server: foomatic-gui pulls in too many unrelated packages
severity 406616 wishlist
retitle -1 tasksel: Desktop task _not_ displayed, but still getting partly 
installed
severity -1 serious
thanks

On Friday 12 January 2007 12:08, L wrote:
> * No `Desktop' task, so I just left `standard system' and `print
> server' selected and was AMAZED by the amount of unwanted shit the
> installer dragged in. Seriously. 2G for a base install isn't what I
> remember being `standard' on Debian. I selected the task presuming it
> would be basic non-minimal utilities like screen, some admin tools, and
> such.

Well, "presuming" things is never really the best rationale for doing
them. The installation guide [1] has information on what the different
tasks encompass and how much disk space they take.

Installing Standard + Print server gives me around 700MB, not 2GB.
Did you perhaps install in a language other than English? In that case
some language specific packages may have been installed, but that still
does not get us to 2GB. Hmmm.

> * Despite what seems like the entirety of GNOME being installed, 
> as well as GDM, no x server was installed with it. This is pointless
> and a waste of time in the huge majority of cases.

I'm not sure where you get that. The print server tasks does indeed 
install some Gnome and X packages, mostly libraries. It seems this is
because the author of the task decided that foomatic-gui was a useful
package to install with that task.
Removing foomatic-gui from your system will automatically remove all the 
Gnome, most X and various other packages.

Let's reassign this report to tasksel to see if the tasksel maintainer 
wants to reconsider this. Dropping only foomatic-gui from the
print-server task will reduce its size to almost half of what it
currently is.

> All in all, however, the thing works wonderfully, and I can but hope a
> desktop task will be added, and a lot of extraneous guff will be
> removed from the `standard' system. I would like to still be able to
> install debian in under 500MB if I choose.

You can: select no tasks and only install packages you really need using 
regular package management tools after the reboot. Even if you select
the standard task, you will stay below 500MB.

Anyway, one of the strong points of Debian is that you can just purge the 
packages you want and your system should be just as lean as if you never 
installer them.

[... while /me tries some stuff in a test environment]

Hmm, after upgrading tasksel in a vmware test environment and running
'tasksel --new-install', I think I _can_ reproduce what you are seeing.
I do _not_ get the Desktop task in the task list, but when I look at
the selected packages, it looks like it still is getting installed
somehow, and indeed, without X.Org.
I'm not sure if this is a tasksel problem or rather a temporary problem
with the Etch archive.


Thank you for filing your report.

Cheers,
FJP

[1]
http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch06s03.html#di-install-software
http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/apds02.html


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Bug#406616: etch daily installation report

[L]

Package: installation-reports

Boot method: cd
Image version: 
http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/20070109-3/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-businesscard.iso
Date: 20070112

Machine: Random old pentium 3.

umame -a: Linux weka 2.6.18-3-686 #1 SMP Mon Dec 4 16:41:14 UTC 2006 i686 
GNU/Linux
lspci -nn: 00:00.0 Host bridge [0600]: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C693A/694x 
[Apollo PRO133x] [1106:0691] (rev c4)
lspci -nn: 00:01.0 PCI bridge [0604]: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C598/694x 
[Apollo MVP3/Pro133x AGP] [1106:8598]
lspci -nn: 00:07.0 ISA bridge [0601]: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C686 [Apollo 
Super South] [1106:0686] (rev 40)
lspci -nn: 00:07.1 IDE interface [0101]: VIA Technologies, Inc. 
VT82C586A/B/VT82C686/A/B/VT823x/A/C PIPC Bus Master IDE [1106:0571] (rev 06)
lspci -nn: 00:07.2 USB Controller [0c03]: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82x UHCI 
USB 1.1 Controller [1106:3038] (rev 16)
lspci -nn: 00:07.3 USB Controller [0c03]: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82x UHCI 
USB 1.1 Controller [1106:3038] (rev 16)
lspci -nn: 00:07.4 SMBus [0c05]: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C686 [Apollo Super 
ACPI] [1106:3057] (rev 40)
lspci -nn: 00:07.5 Multimedia audio controller [0401]: VIA Technologies, Inc. 
VT82C686 AC97 Audio Controller [1106:3058] (rev 50)
lspci -nn: 00:09.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. 
RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ [10ec:8139] (rev 10)
lspci -nn: 00:0c.0 Communication controller [0780]: Ambient Technologies Inc 
HaM controllerless modem [1813:4000] (rev 02)
lspci -nn: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation NV11 
[GeForce2 MX/MX 400] [10de:0110] (rev a1)
lspci -vnn: 00:00.0 Host bridge [0600]: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C693A/694x 
[Apollo PRO133x] [1106:0691] (rev c4)
lspci -vnn: Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 0
lspci -vnn: Memory at e000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=64M]
lspci -vnn: Capabilities: [a0] AGP version 2.0
lspci -vnn: Capabilities: [c0] Power Management version 2
lspci -vnn: 
lspci -vnn: 00:01.0 PCI bridge [0604]: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C598/694x 
[Apollo MVP3/Pro133x AGP] [1106:8598] (prog-if 00 [Normal decode])
lspci -vnn: Flags: bus master, 66MHz, medium devsel, latency 0
lspci -vnn: Bus: primary=00, secondary=01, subordinate=01, sec-latency=0
lspci -vnn: I/O behind bridge: 9000-9fff
lspci -vnn: Memory behind bridge: dde0-dfef
lspci -vnn: Prefetchable memory behind bridge: cdc0-ddcf
lspci -vnn: Capabilities: [80] Power Management version 2
lspci -vnn: 
lspci -vnn: 00:07.0 ISA bridge [0601]: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C686 [Apollo 
Super South] [1106:0686] (rev 40)
lspci -vnn: Subsystem: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C686/A PCI to ISA Bridge 
[1106:0686]
lspci -vnn: Flags: bus master, stepping, medium devsel, latency 0
lspci -vnn: Capabilities: [c0] Power Management version 2
lspci -vnn: 
lspci -vnn: 00:07.1 IDE interface [0101]: VIA Technologies, Inc. 
VT82C586A/B/VT82C686/A/B/VT823x/A/C PIPC Bus Master IDE [1106:0571] (rev 06) 
(prog-if 8a [Master SecP PriP])
lspci -vnn: Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 32
lspci -vnn: I/O ports at ffa0 [size=16]
lspci -vnn: Capabilities: [c0] Power Management version 2
lspci -vnn: 
lspci -vnn: 00:07.2 USB Controller [0c03]: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82x 
UHCI USB 1.1 Controller [1106:3038] (rev 16) (prog-if 00 [UHCI])
lspci -vnn: Subsystem: VIA Technologies, Inc. (Wrong ID) USB Controller 
[0925:1234]
lspci -vnn: Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 64, IRQ 12
lspci -vnn: I/O ports at cc00 [size=32]
lspci -vnn: Capabilities: [80] Power Management version 2
lspci -vnn: 
lspci -vnn: 00:07.3 USB Controller [0c03]: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82x 
UHCI USB 1.1 Controller [1106:3038] (rev 16) (prog-if 00 [UHCI])
lspci -vnn: Subsystem: VIA Technologies, Inc. (Wrong ID) USB Controller 
[0925:1234]
lspci -vnn: Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 64, IRQ 12
lspci -vnn: I/O ports at d000 [size=32]
lspci -vnn: Capabilities: [80] Power Management version 2
lspci -vnn: 
lspci -vnn: 00:07.4 SMBus [0c05]: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C686 [Apollo Super 
ACPI] [1106:3057] (rev 40)
lspci -vnn: Flags: medium devsel, IRQ 5
lspci -vnn: Capabilities: [68] Power Management version 2
lspci -vnn: 
lspci -vnn: 00:07.5 Multimedia audio controller [0401]: VIA Technologies, Inc. 
VT82C686 AC97 Audio Controller [1106:3058] (rev 50)
lspci -vnn: Subsystem: Giga-byte Technology Unknown device [1458:a000]
lspci -vnn: Flags: medium devsel, IRQ 10
lspci -vnn: I/O ports at dc00 [size=256]
lspci -vnn: I/O ports at d800 [size=4]
lspci -vnn: I/O ports at d400 [size=4]
lspci -vnn: Capabilities: [c0] Power Management version 2
lspci -vnn: 
lspci -vnn: 00:09.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. 
RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ [10ec:8139] (rev 10)
lspci -vnn: Subsystem: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RT8139 [10ec:8139]
lspci -vnn: