Bug#435039: Mention that qemuctl is not a gui

2007-12-02 Thread Eduard Bloch
Package: qemuctl
Version: 0.2-2
Followup-For: Bug #435039

Hello,

from my POV, the manpage of qemuctl sucks. If I understood
correctly, qemuctl is not a GUI itself but only a helper tool for
qemu-launcher. But the manpage, and package description, both say that
qemuctl IS THE GUI. This is simply missleading (carefully speaking),
there is not even one word saying that qemu-launcher is the real GUI which
the user looks for.

Regards,
Eduard.


-- System Information:
Debian Release: lenny/sid
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  APT policy: (500, 'unstable')
Architecture: amd64 (x86_64)

Kernel: Linux 2.6.23.1
Locale: LANG=de_DE.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=de_DE.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8)
Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash

Versions of packages qemuctl depends on:
ii  libgtk2-gladexml-perl   1.006-1  Perl interface to use user interfa
ii  perl5.8.8-12 Larry Wall's Practical Extraction 
ii  qemu0.9.0+20070816-1 fast processor emulator

Versions of packages qemuctl recommends:
ii  qemu-launcher 1.7.4-1GTK+ front-end to QEMU computer em

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Bug#435039: Mention that qemuctl is not a gui

2007-12-02 Thread Miguel Gea Milvaques
En/na Eduard Bloch ha escrit:
 Package: qemuctl
 Version: 0.2-2
 Followup-For: Bug #435039

 Hello,

 from my POV, the manpage of qemuctl sucks. If I understood
 correctly, qemuctl is not a GUI itself but only a helper tool for
 qemu-launcher. But the manpage, and package description, both say that
 qemuctl IS THE GUI. This is simply missleading (carefully speaking),
 there is not even one word saying that qemu-launcher is the real GUI which
 the user looks for.

 Regards,
 Eduard.
   
That is not correct.
qemuctl can be integrated in qemu-launcher in easy manner but it can
work independen for it.
Moreover, it has a little gui that you can use without use
qemu-launcher. If you want to try it, exec this

qemuctl -qemu qemu -cdrom aIsoImageFile.iso




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Bug#435039: Mention that qemuctl is not a gui

2007-12-02 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h
* Miguel Gea Milvaques [Sun, Dec 02 2007, 07:14:27PM]:
 En/na Eduard Bloch ha escrit:

  from my POV, the manpage of qemuctl sucks. If I understood
  correctly, qemuctl is not a GUI itself but only a helper tool for
  qemu-launcher. But the manpage, and package description, both say that
  qemuctl IS THE GUI. This is simply missleading (carefully speaking),
  there is not even one word saying that qemu-launcher is the real GUI which
  the user looks for.
 
  Regards,
  Eduard.

 That is not correct.
 qemuctl can be integrated in qemu-launcher in easy manner but it can
 work independen for it.
 Moreover, it has a little gui that you can use without use
 qemu-launcher. If you want to try it, exec this
 
 qemuctl -qemu qemu -cdrom aIsoImageFile.iso

So, which part of qemuctl(1) provides the knowledge needed to set up
this command? Or which part of qemuctl's help output?

When I start a GUI, I expect a GUI to appear and not just quickly
terminate without giving me any clue why, or at least having a manpage
which does provide something directly useful to change this fact (and
no, just refering to some other manpages is not userfriendly).

Regards,
Eduard.
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Bug#435039: Mention that qemuctl is not a gui

2007-12-02 Thread Miguel Gea Milvaques
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En/na Eduard Bloch ha escrit:
 #include hallo.h
 * Miguel Gea Milvaques [Sun, Dec 02 2007, 07:14:27PM]:
 En/na Eduard Bloch ha escrit:

 from my POV, the manpage of qemuctl sucks. If I understood
 correctly, qemuctl is not a GUI itself but only a helper tool for
 qemu-launcher. But the manpage, and package description, both say that
 qemuctl IS THE GUI. This is simply missleading (carefully speaking),
 there is not even one word saying that qemu-launcher is the real GUI
which
 the user looks for.

 Regards,
 Eduard.
  
 That is not correct.
 qemuctl can be integrated in qemu-launcher in easy manner but it can
 work independen for it.
 Moreover, it has a little gui that you can use without use
 qemu-launcher. If you want to try it, exec this

 qemuctl -qemu qemu -cdrom aIsoImageFile.iso

 So, which part of qemuctl(1) provides the knowledge needed to set up
 this command? Or which part of qemuctl's help output?
This:

   qemu-options
  Use  qemu-options for the launch of qemu. See qemu(1) for
  further details.


 When I start a GUI, I expect a GUI to appear and not just quickly
 terminate without giving me any clue why or at least having a manpage
This is true. When you give it incorrect options to qemuctl is not too
friendly...
 which does provide something directly useful to change this fact (and
 no, just refering to some other manpages is not userfriendly).
qemuctl is a frontend for qemu/kvm and it sends its options to
qemu/kvm, So it need to refer to qemu/kvm other manpages.

 Regards,
 Eduard.

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Bug#435039: Mention that qemuctl is not a gui

2007-12-02 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h
* Miguel Gea Milvaques [Sun, Dec 02 2007, 10:11:39PM]:
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 Hash: SHA1
 
 En/na Eduard Bloch ha escrit:
  #include hallo.h
  * Miguel Gea Milvaques [Sun, Dec 02 2007, 07:14:27PM]:
  En/na Eduard Bloch ha escrit:
 
  from my POV, the manpage of qemuctl sucks. If I understood
  correctly, qemuctl is not a GUI itself but only a helper tool for
  qemu-launcher. But the manpage, and package description, both say that
  qemuctl IS THE GUI. This is simply missleading (carefully speaking),
  there is not even one word saying that qemu-launcher is the real GUI
 which
  the user looks for.
 
  Regards,
  Eduard.
   
  That is not correct.
  qemuctl can be integrated in qemu-launcher in easy manner but it can
  work independen for it.
  Moreover, it has a little gui that you can use without use
  qemu-launcher. If you want to try it, exec this
 
  qemuctl -qemu qemu -cdrom aIsoImageFile.iso
 
  So, which part of qemuctl(1) provides the knowledge needed to set up
  this command? Or which part of qemuctl's help output?
 This:
 
qemu-options
   Use  qemu-options for the launch of qemu. See qemu(1) for
   further details.

Honestly, WTF? I ask about how to start qemuctl (not qemu, I don't care
about qemu YET) and you tell me about qemu options. How should I know
that the stupid thing dies BECAUSE options of some OTHER PROGRAM are
missing? It does not tell me that. Nor does the manpage do so.

  When I start a GUI, I expect a GUI to appear and not just quickly
  terminate without giving me any clue why or at least having a manpage
 This is true. When you give it incorrect options to qemuctl is not too
 friendly...

From user experience POV this is a real disaster.

  which does provide something directly useful to change this fact (and
  no, just refering to some other manpages is not userfriendly).
 qemuctl is a frontend for qemu/kvm and it sends its options to
 qemu/kvm, So it need to refer to qemu/kvm other manpages.

Sure, but for essential things? You expect users to have electronics
diploma before using electronic devices like keyboard or mouse?

Regards,
Eduard.



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