Bug#470061: network install starting from USB

2008-03-16 Thread oc-spam66

 Yes, but the standard hd-media method is CD based. This should be clear from 
 the installation guide.

First point : this is not clear. 
The guide only mentions the general link :
http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/
and tells to read the MANIFEST file for more information. 

Second point : in this MANIFEST file it is written :
hd-media/boot.img.gz -- 256 mb image (compressed) for USB memory stick

Maybe everything is clear to you, but think a minute about the newcomer who 
wants to make a network install from a USB key :
he carefully reads the network install page 
(http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst) in which he is instructed to find the 
details in the MANIFEST file...

You can not honestly expect people to guess that hd-media/boot.img.gz can not 
be used for a USB memory stick network install...


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Bug#470061: network install starting from USB

2008-03-16 Thread oc-spam66

 Yes, but the standard hd-media method is CD based. This should be clear from 
 the installation guide.

First point : this is not clear. 
The guide only mentions the general link :
http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/
and tells to read the MANIFEST file for more information. 

Second point : in this MANIFEST file it is written :
hd-media/boot.img.gz -- 256 mb image (compressed) for USB memory stick

Maybe everything is clear to you, but think a minute about the newcomer who 
wants to make a network install from a USB key :
he carefully reads the network install page 
(http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst) in which he is instructed to find the 
details in the MANIFEST file...

You can not honestly expect people to guess that hd-media/boot.img.gz can not 
be used for a USB memory stick network install...
 


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Bug#470061: network install starting from USB

2008-03-16 Thread Frans Pop
On Sunday 16 March 2008, oc-spam66 wrote:
  Yes, but the standard hd-media method is CD based. This should be clear
  from the installation guide.

 First point : this is not clear.

4.4.3. Adding an ISO image
The installer will look for a Debian ISO image on the stick as its source 
for additional data needed for the installation. So your next step is to 
copy a Debian ISO image (businesscard, netinst or even a full CD image) 
onto your stick (be sure to select one that fits). The file name of the 
image must end in .iso.

Can't make it very much more clear than that.



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Bug#470061: network install starting from USB

2008-03-16 Thread oc-spam66

 Can't make it very much more clear than that.

When I type debian usb network install in google, 
I get : 
1) www.debian.org/distrib/netinst 
Installing Debian GNU/Linux via the Internet

2) www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.en 
4.4. Preparing Files for USB Memory Stick Booting

In principle you are right, but for a simple user, the 1) seems more appealing, 
simple and appropriate than the 2).

I don't know if you read www.debian.org/distrib/netinst, but it is really 
misleading (as I previously mentioned). 
A note there could tell explicitly that USB network install is not supported 
and people should do what is written in 2)

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Bug#470061: network install starting from USB

2008-03-15 Thread oc-spam66

 For a network install starting from USB one has to do something like:
 * copy the kernel to the USB stick
 * copy the network install initial RAM disk ( initrd ) to the USB stick
 * Install and activate a boot loader on the USB stick
 * boot computer from USB stick

I think the point of the boot.img.gz files is to avoid these steps, isn't it ?

So : 

I started from hd-media/boot.img.gz, and flashed the USB key (but, as I 
mentionned previously, the install doesn't work that way)

Your answer incited me to check what is inside the initrd flashed on the key. 
After a cpio -i --make-directories  initrd I noticed that the ethernet 
drivers are not present (no network module in lib/modules in the initrd...)

My workaround was to overwrite the initial initrd.gz with the one found at 
http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/debian-installer/i386/initrd.gz

I don't know up to what point it is ugly but it worked and I had a working 
debian etch installed.

However I find it incredible that there is no simple way to make a network 
install starting from USB... 



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Bug#470061: network install starting from USB

2008-03-09 Thread Geert Stappers
retitle 470061 network install starting from USB
stop

Op 08-03-2008 om 23:08 schreef oc-spam66:
 Hello,
 
 I would like to install a debian (network install) starting with a USB key. 
 The file : http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst
 gives a link to : 
 http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/
 
 From reading the MANIFEST file, I guess I then have to go in the 'hd-media' 
 directory and I download :
 http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/boot.img.gz
 
 I flash the USB key and boot the target computer with it. The
 installation runs and asks for and ISO image... apparently he did not
 understand that I want a NETWORK install ! I don't have an ISO image.
 
 So I go in the next menu where I can ask to detect the network
 hardware. The installer says he can not detect my ethernet card (even
 though this is a working Realtek 8139 rev 10)
 
 So, I did not manage to do the network install...
 Could you please tell how to make it work ?

For a network install starting from USB one has to do something like:
* copy the kernel to the USB stick
* copy the network install initial RAM disk ( initrd ) to the USB stick
* Install and activate a boot loader on the USB stick
* boot computer from USB stick


 (this gives me the strange feeling that the good things fade... I am
 pretty sure that I managed such a USB/netinstall one year ago on the
 same computer ...)

Use this bugreport for documenting it this time...


Cheers
Geert Stappers




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