Bug#497410: packages.debian.org: please link to patch-tracking.debian.net
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 10:34:38PM +0200, Gerfried Fuchs wrote: So we are absolutely on the same side here. :) Luckily :), even more so because I'm still jetlag-ed, and interpreting the first part of your reply would have been too hard right now :) Sorry for the misunderstanding. -- Stefano Zacchiroli -*- PhD in Computer Science \ PostDoc @ Univ. Paris 7 [EMAIL PROTECTED],pps.jussieu.fr,debian.org} -- http://upsilon.cc/zack/ Dietro un grande uomo c'è sempre /oo\ All one has to do is hit the right uno zaino-- A.Bergonzoni \__/ keys at the right time -- J.S.Bach -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#497410: packages.debian.org: please link to patch-tracking.debian.net
Am Dienstag, den 21.10.2008, 07:55 +1100 schrieb Mark Purcell: On Tuesday 09 September 2008 08:23:47 Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Mon, Sep 01, 2008 at 11:36:06PM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: In my opinion, packages.d.o is the right place for this (rather than the PTS) because it is more directed at users and people outside Debian. Well, I do want to have links to the patch tracker also from the PTS. I would like to see a link to patch-tracking from the PTS as well. I generally refer upstream to the PTS when I discuss the Debian packages, and a link to the patches would be very useful for upstream to have easy access to. Same with me - I managed to get quite some of my upstream developers to subscribe through the PTS to some keywords, and I also see the PTS as a useful ressource for mainly other people interested in my packages. Personally, from a package maintainer's view, I don't really use it for my own packages, here the qa.d.o/dev.php overview is much more helpful. On the contrary, I rather think of packages.debian.org as the end user's view and it might be confusing to have the patch-tracking linked from there. But then, that might be just me and I hope I won't get accused for wanting to hide stuff because it isn't. Thanks, Rhonda signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil
Bug#497410: packages.debian.org: please link to patch-tracking.debian.net
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 06:49:20PM +0200, Gerfried Fuchs wrote: On the contrary, I rather think of packages.debian.org as the end user's view and it might be confusing to have the patch-tracking linked from there. But then, that might be just me and I hope I won't get I guess you meant packages.qa.debian.org in the last paragraph, right? I'm replying making that assumption. Well, packages.qa.debian.org is not user oriented, it has always been developer oriented, no matter how you use it :) This heritage comes from, if you want to see that way actually, the fact that its being source package oriented, while in general users know nothing about source packages. You know, from the PTS you don't even have package descriptions (given that source packages don't have them), how can it possibly be user oriented? Hence, having patches linked from there is something we really want. Still, despite of all the past vote post to this bug log, I remind that to implement this we need patch-tracking.d.n to export patch summaries. See my last post to this log, it explains exactly what we need PTS side to add support for that. Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli -*- PhD in Computer Science \ PostDoc @ Univ. Paris 7 [EMAIL PROTECTED],pps.jussieu.fr,debian.org} -- http://upsilon.cc/zack/ Dietro un grande uomo c'è sempre /oo\ All one has to do is hit the right uno zaino-- A.Bergonzoni \__/ keys at the right time -- J.S.Bach -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#497410: packages.debian.org: please link to patch-tracking.debian.net
Hi! * Stefano Zacchiroli [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-10-21 19:26:13 CEST]: On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 06:49:20PM +0200, Gerfried Fuchs wrote: On the contrary, I rather think of packages.debian.org as the end user's view and it might be confusing to have the patch-tracking linked from there. But then, that might be just me and I hope I won't get I guess you meant packages.qa.debian.org in the last paragraph, right? No, of course not. That's the PTS, and I thought it was called like that by everyone? And ... if you would have left this paragraph in connection with the other one I wrote: | Same with me - I managed to get quite some of my upstream developers to | subscribe through the PTS to some keywords, and I also see the PTS as a | useful ressource for mainly other people interested in my packages. | Personally, from a package maintainer's view, I don't really use it for | my own packages, here the qa.d.o/dev.php overview is much more helpful. ... you could have seen that I mentioned the PTS in that one explicitly. I was talking about three different parts here: First the PTS for upstream and other interested people, the qa developer overview for developer's overview themself, and the packages.debian.org pages for the end users. I'm replying making that assumption. Then your assumption is unfortunately wrong. Please don't assume that I don't mean what I write (left aside language barriers), especially not when you try to tell me that what you assume that I meant is wrong and different from what I wrote. ;) Well, packages.qa.debian.org is not user oriented, it has always been developer oriented, no matter how you use it :) I never used it that way. :) This heritage comes from, if you want to see that way actually, the fact that its being source package oriented, while in general users know nothing about source packages. You know, from the PTS you don't even have package descriptions (given that source packages don't have them), how can it possibly be user oriented? See above, never meant that, and not even wrote that. :) Hence, having patches linked from there is something we really want. Exactly my words, the PTS is absolutely the proper place for it. In the qa/developer.php page on the contrary I don't see much place for it (but that propably would be another cookie thing to click off if one really wants it - but then, the developers hopefully know already what they patched), and in the packages.d.o pages for the users they aren't really needed neither. So we are absolutely on the same side here. :) Rhonda -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#497410: packages.debian.org: please link to patch-tracking.debian.net
On Tuesday 09 September 2008 08:23:47 Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Mon, Sep 01, 2008 at 11:36:06PM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: In my opinion, packages.d.o is the right place for this (rather than the PTS) because it is more directed at users and people outside Debian. Well, I do want to have links to the patch tracker also from the PTS. I would like to see a link to patch-tracking from the PTS as well. I generally refer upstream to the PTS when I discuss the Debian packages, and a link to the patches would be very useful for upstream to have easy access to. Mark -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#497410: packages.debian.org: please link to patch-tracking.debian.net
On Mon, Sep 01, 2008 at 11:36:06PM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: It would be nice if packages.debian.org/sid/foo linked to patch-tracking.debian.net/package/foo/1.2.3-4 In my opinion, packages.d.o is the right place for this (rather than the PTS) because it is more directed at users and people outside Debian. There does not appear to be a machine-parsable index of all the packages with patches and their versions, would this be possible to add Sean? Sorry for not looking into this earlier. What exactly do you think the machine-parsable index would be needed for? For packages.debian.org I guess it is enough if I make the inclusion of a link dependent on the existance of a .diff file, right? Gruesse, -- Frank Lichtenheld [EMAIL PROTECTED] www: http://www.djpig.de/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#497410: packages.debian.org: please link to patch-tracking.debian.net
On Fri, 2008-10-03 at 09:43 +0200, Frank Lichtenheld wrote: What exactly do you think the machine-parsable index would be needed for? I assumed that you would need a machine-parsable index of all the packages that have patches. I realise now that isn't the case. The only reason I can think you would want the index is if you want to differentiate between packages with just packaging added, packages with changes outside debian/ and packages with patches in debian/patches/. For packages.debian.org I guess it is enough if I make the inclusion of a link dependent on the existance of a .diff file, right? I guess so, yeah, all non-native packages seem to have a patch page. , -- bye, pabs http://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Bug#497410: packages.debian.org: please link to patch-tracking.debian.net
On Fri, 03 Oct 2008 16:28:51 +0800, Paul Wise wrote:
What exactly do you think the machine-parsable index would be needed
for?
The only reason I can think you would want the index is if you want to
differentiate between packages with just packaging added, packages with
changes outside debian/ and packages with patches in debian/patches/.
Such an index might also be interesting for UDD or PET or other tools
that want to display the patch status and/or patch number.
Cheers,
gregor
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Bug#497410: packages.debian.org: please link to patch-tracking.debian.net
clone 497410 -1 reassign -1 qa.debian.org user [EMAIL PROTECTED] usertag -1 + pts thanks On Mon, Sep 01, 2008 at 11:36:06PM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: In my opinion, packages.d.o is the right place for this (rather than the PTS) because it is more directed at users and people outside Debian. Well, I do want to have links to the patch tracker also from the PTS. The reason being that even from the package maintainer point of view it is quite important to have a look at the list of Debian patches (as a UI I'm currently thinking at a drop down menu linking to both the overview page and to the single patches). There does not appear to be a machine-parsable index of all the packages with patches and their versions, would this be possible to add Sean? For the PTS, the better form would be a global index that can be downloaded routinely containing for each (source) package the list of applied patches. From the used format it should be possible to construct mechanically all the relevant URLs (link to the per-package package and links to the per-patch pages). The need of a global file is to be able to download all information at once, instead of hammering the patch tracker. I presume the same format would be suitable for packages.d.o. Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli -*- PhD in Computer Science \ PostDoc @ Univ. Paris 7 [EMAIL PROTECTED],pps.jussieu.fr,debian.org} -- http://upsilon.cc/zack/ I'm still an SGML person,this newfangled /\ All one has to do is hit the XML stuff is so ... simplistic -- Manoj \/ right keys at the right time signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#497410: packages.debian.org: please link to patch-tracking.debian.net
Package: www.debian.org Severity: wishlist X-Debbugs-CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] It would be nice if packages.debian.org/sid/foo linked to patch-tracking.debian.net/package/foo/1.2.3-4 In my opinion, packages.d.o is the right place for this (rather than the PTS) because it is more directed at users and people outside Debian. There does not appear to be a machine-parsable index of all the packages with patches and their versions, would this be possible to add Sean? -- bye, pabs http://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Bug#497410: packages.debian.org: please link to patch-tracking.debian.net
tags 497410 moreinfo thanks hiya, On Monday 01 September 2008 05:36:06 pm Paul Wise wrote: There does not appear to be a machine-parsable index of all the packages with patches and their versions, would this be possible to add Sean? it should be pretty straightforward to add something like this, yes. it could be done on a per-package basis, as well as a single massive index file, and it could be formatted in any number of ways (csv, rfc822-ish, xml...) . so... i'll need a little more info on *how* you'd like this implemented before i hack out any code of course. sean signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Bug#497410: packages.debian.org: please link to patch-tracking.debian.net
On Mon, 2008-09-01 at 21:19 +0200, sean finney wrote: it could be done on a per-package basis, as well as a single massive index file, and it could be formatted in any number of ways (csv, rfc822-ish, xml...) . so... i'll need a little more info on *how* you'd like this implemented before i hack out any code of course. Hmm, not entirely sure what format sould be used, djpig? I'm imagining the data required would be something like: http://patch-tracking.debian.net/debian/dists/unstable/main/source/Patches Package: foo Version: 1.2.3-4 URL-all: http://patch-tracking.debian.net/package/foo URL-this-version: http://patch-tracking.debian.net/package/foo/1.2.3-4 Type: Debian-diff Patches-series: 5 Patches-debian: 2 Not sure if rfc822 is appropriate, nor if we want to structure the data locations like apt archives. -- bye, pabs http://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
