Bug#499629: [Pkg-lyx-devel] Bug#499629: Bug#499629: texlive-latex-extra should be recommended dependency

2008-09-23 Thread Per Olofsson
Hi,

Dara Adib wrote:
 = It's a suggested package.
 This is used to declare that one package may be more useful with one or 
 more others
 
 True, again, but why is Iceweasel also marked as a suggestion?

It's a web browser, and it's useful to have a web browser if you
compile your documents to HTML, so that you can view them. The reason
why iceweasel is listed explicitly is that the package format requires
virtual package dependencies to have at least on concrete example,
hence iceweasel | www-browser.

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Bug#499629: [Pkg-lyx-devel] Bug#499629: Bug#499629: texlive-latex-extra should be recommended dependency

2008-09-23 Thread Per Olofsson
Hi,

Dara Adib wrote:
 It's not in my position to judge whether a package deserves to be
 suggests or recommends, but it is still appears to be a problem that
 integrals don't work.

As Georg explained, they do work, but you need to disable esint.

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Bug#499629: [Pkg-lyx-devel] Bug#499629: Bug#499629: texlive-latex-extra should be recommended dependency

2008-09-22 Thread Per Olofsson
Sven Hoexter wrote:
 ATM I don't see a reason to change it. If you think everyone using Ubuntu
 should install some 70MB extra you might divert on that part of the package.

Really? It says Installed-Size: 20548 on my system...

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Bug#499629: [Pkg-lyx-devel] Bug#499629: Bug#499629: texlive-latex-extra should be recommended dependency

2008-09-22 Thread Georg Baum
Am Montag, 22. September 2008 schrieb Per Olofsson:

 I wouldn't say it's unusual to have LyX installed without
 texlive-latex-extra. Although I agree that it's very unfortunate that
 integrals don't work without it. Maybe this bug should be reassigned
 to texlive, and esint asked to be moved to texlive-latex-recommended
 or texlive-fonts-recommended or something.

Integrals work fine without esint. Simply set the use esint setting from 
auto to off. The problem is that the look of many integrals is 
inconsistent without esint. It also depends on whether you use wasysym 
and/or amsmath (and in which order you load those packages).

IMO, the esint package is a must for everybody who uses more than just 
\int. OTOH people who dont use more specialized integral symbols or even 
math at all will never need the esint package.

If there was a texlive-math package I would put esint into that package. 
texlive-latex-recommended might be too strong for non-math users, 
texlive-fonts-recommended is wrong IMHO because esint is not only a font, 
it fixes other packages. IMHO the current status is not too bad: If 
somebody actually uses an integral that triggers esint, he will get a 
LaTeX error. If he does not know esint, he can find some information in 
the documentation, and then eithwer switch off esint or search for it in 
the package database, and install the needed package.


Georg



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Bug#499629: [Pkg-lyx-devel] Bug#499629: Bug#499629: texlive-latex-extra should be recommended dependency

2008-09-22 Thread Sven Hoexter
On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 06:05:24PM +0200, Per Olofsson wrote:
 Sven Hoexter wrote:
  ATM I don't see a reason to change it. If you think everyone using Ubuntu
  should install some 70MB extra you might divert on that part of the package.
 
 Really? It says Installed-Size: 20548 on my system...

Hrhr, ok that hit me back as usual when I don't check the facts. ;)
Ok just looked on a mirror and it seems to be splitted now.
So it is indeed reasonable to review the new situation and see
what's left in the -extra package and what is usefull of the new splittouts.
Maybe you can add it to the todo list on the Wiki so we don't forget
it (or do it now, I'm back around 10-08).

Cheers,
Sven
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