Bug#501169: tzdata has moved the GMT from -3 to -2.
On Sun, Oct 05, 2008 at 02:11:45AM -0200, Mauro Lizaur wrote: Package: tzdata Version: 2008e-3 Severity: normal Argentina's timezone is GMT -3, but tzdata gives GMT -2, So instead of the clock has moved one hour forward, and the daylight saving (or 'summer time') doesn't starts until next summer (in aprox, 3 months). Installing tzdata from unstable, appearently fixes this issue though. A fixed package has been uploaded to sid, etch and etch-volatile. For the two last there is a propagation time as they need manual processing. -- .''`. Aurelien Jarno | GPG: 1024D/F1BCDB73 : :' : Debian developer | Electrical Engineer `. `' [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] `-people.debian.org/~aurel32 | www.aurel32.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#501169: tzdata has moved the GMT from -3 to -2.
Margarita Manterola a écrit : Argentinian government hasn't decided upon the Daylight Saving times for 2008. They might happen in October, November, December or not happen at all. tzdata 2008-e release (present in Etch and Lenny) has the switch scheduled for today, so a lot of boxes are currently showing the wrong time. tzdata 2008-f release (present in Sid) changed the switch for the third Sunday in October. I have no idea from where they got this information, I've crawled every possible news site from our country and there has been no information regarding the switch for this year. According to the sources, the information comes from http://www.impulsobaires.com.ar/nota.php?id=57832 . Could you please confirm it is correct? -- .''`. Aurelien Jarno | GPG: 1024D/F1BCDB73 : :' : Debian developer | Electrical Engineer `. `' [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] `-people.debian.org/~aurel32 | www.aurel32.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#501169: tzdata has moved the GMT from -3 to -2.
On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 5:59 AM, Aurelien Jarno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: According to the sources, the information comes from http://www.impulsobaires.com.ar/nota.php?id=57832 . Could you please confirm it is correct? The title says They may change the time by the third Sunday in October In the text it says that some sources say that it's being studied to have that day as the day for the change, but no decision has yet been made. That was one month ago. Today, still no decision has yet been made [1]. The only official decision I could find is that Mendoza province has already stated that if a change were to be established, they wouldn't go with it [2], [3]. Mainly due to the official silence about this, it looks like no change is going to be made (too many people oppose to having UTC-2 when phisically living in UTC-4 or UTC-5), and there's even a proposal to go back to the previous UTC-4/UTC-3 scheme, instead of UTC-3/UTC-2 [4]. Our government is so ridiculous that it obviously could happen that they decide which day to do the switch two or three days before the actual date, and if they do, it's likely to be on some Sunday in October (it could be the second, the third, the fourth, at this point the only thing that we know for sure is that it was not today). However, until there is some official communication, I think that the correct action is to assume that no change is going to happen, and not base the information on tzdata on rumours. [1]: http://www.lanacion.com.ar/nota.asp?nota_id=1056251 [2]: http://www.lanacion.com.ar/nota.asp?nota_id=1052700 [3]: http://www.mdzol.com/mdz/nota/72048-Jaque-no-adhiere-al-cambio-de-horario-propuesto-por-Cristina/ [4]: http://www.puntal.com.ar/noticia.php?id=43863 -- Besos, Marga -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#501169: tzdata has moved the GMT from -3 to -2.
On Sun, Oct 05, 2008 at 08:44:00AM -0200, Margarita Manterola wrote: On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 5:59 AM, Aurelien Jarno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: According to the sources, the information comes from http://www.impulsobaires.com.ar/nota.php?id=57832 . Could you please confirm it is correct? The title says They may change the time by the third Sunday in October In the text it says that some sources say that it's being studied to have that day as the day for the change, but no decision has yet been made. That was one month ago. Today, still no decision has yet been made [1]. The only official decision I could find is that Mendoza province has already stated that if a change were to be established, they wouldn't go with it [2], [3]. Actually someone asked upstream to do the change based on this document. Mainly due to the official silence about this, it looks like no change is going to be made (too many people oppose to having UTC-2 when phisically living in UTC-4 or UTC-5), and there's even a proposal to go back to the previous UTC-4/UTC-3 scheme, instead of UTC-3/UTC-2 [4]. Our government is so ridiculous that it obviously could happen that they decide which day to do the switch two or three days before the actual date, and if they do, it's likely to be on some Sunday in October (it could be the second, the third, the fourth, at this point the only thing that we know for sure is that it was not today). However, until there is some official communication, I think that the correct action is to assume that no change is going to happen, and not base the information on tzdata on rumours. Given this kind of thing happens every year, I think we should stop using max in the definition of the Argentinian timezone, and only use only to define the DST rules year by year instead of using the rule of the previous year. I am travelling this afternoon, I'll prepare an upload in the plane. I'll do the upload either in the evening or tomorrow morning depending if I have Internet access at the hotel. Cheers, Aurelien [1]: http://www.lanacion.com.ar/nota.asp?nota_id=1056251 [2]: http://www.lanacion.com.ar/nota.asp?nota_id=1052700 [3]: http://www.mdzol.com/mdz/nota/72048-Jaque-no-adhiere-al-cambio-de-horario-propuesto-por-Cristina/ [4]: http://www.puntal.com.ar/noticia.php?id=43863 -- Besos, Marga -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- .''`. Aurelien Jarno | GPG: 1024D/F1BCDB73 : :' : Debian developer | Electrical Engineer `. `' [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] `-people.debian.org/~aurel32 | www.aurel32.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#501169: tzdata has moved the GMT from -3 to -2.
On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 9:26 AM, Aurelien Jarno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The title says They may change the time by the third Sunday in October Actually someone asked upstream to do the change based on this document. I understand that. What I don't understand is how upstream accepted such unofficial information, that even shows uncertainty in the title and modified tzdata according to that. Last year, I had to wait until the law was passed and published to get the change accepted. Given this kind of thing happens every year, I think we should stop using max in the definition of the Argentinian timezone, and only use only to define the DST rules year by year instead of using the rule of the previous year. I agree. Also, I'd like to note that last year, when the law was passed, it was explicitely said that the government would set the dates for 2008/2009 as they saw fit, whever they saw appropiate. So, it should always have been only. And it should keep being only, unless they state that whatever they decide is to be applied in the future. I am travelling this afternoon, I'll prepare an upload in the plane. I'll do the upload either in the evening or tomorrow morning depending if I have Internet access at the hotel. Ok, I hope you have, then. Merci! -- Besos, Marga -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#501169: tzdata has moved the GMT from -3 to -2.
On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 12:47:55 -0200, Fernando J. Rodríguez (Herr Groucho) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For us Argentinians it is easier to just give up on automatic adjustments of local time with respect to UTC and manually set etc/gmt-4, etc/gmt-3 or etc/gmt-2 as time zone as the occasion dictates. That's for us Argentinians who know what we're doing. The problem is with naive users who change the *clock* instead of the timezone, which would change the computer's notion of UTC time and cause several problems. If a website gives cookies with 1 hour expiration, would the browser expire them immediately if the clock is 1 hour off?. Last year it was worse, since Microsoft didn't have enough time to update the timezones on Windows. And Windows has more naive users than Debian or Ubuntu... By the way, even my iPod thinks we're now in DST even though we're not :/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#501169: tzdata has moved the GMT from -3 to -2
On Sun, Oct 05, 2008 at 02:30:59 -0200, Margarita Manterola wrote: Argentinian government hasn't decided upon the Daylight Saving times for 2008. They might happen in October, November, December or not happen at all. tzdata 2008-e release (present in Etch and Lenny) has the switch scheduled for today, so a lot of boxes are currently showing the wrong time. tzdata 2008-f release (present in Sid) changed the switch for the third Sunday in October. I have no idea from where they got this information, I've crawled every possible news site from our country and there has been no information regarding the switch for this year. With the current situation, what should be done is apply a patch that stops any time changes, until further notice. I'm currently working on it. WIll submit it as soon as I have it. Besides I have found this bug both Debian GNU/Linux Etch as Lenny and Ubuntu Hardy, which would not be very rare if the package that maintains is based on the one of Debian, I have observed this problem also in OpenBSD 4.3. will we be in the presence of a generalized bug in the definition of the zone? Are used common definitions in all these operating systems? Regards, Daniel -- Daniel Bareiro - System Administrator Fingerprint: BFB3 08D6 B4D1 31B2 72B9 29CE 6696 BF1B 14E6 1D37 Powered by Debian GNU/Linux Lenny - Linux user #188.598 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#501169: tzdata has moved the GMT from -3 to -2
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday, 05 October 2008 19:59:32 -0300, Daniel Bareiro wrote: Argentinian government hasn't decided upon the Daylight Saving times for 2008. They might happen in October, November, December or not happen at all. tzdata 2008-e release (present in Etch and Lenny) has the switch scheduled for today, so a lot of boxes are currently showing the wrong time. tzdata 2008-f release (present in Sid) changed the switch for the third Sunday in October. I have no idea from where they got this information, I've crawled every possible news site from our country and there has been no information regarding the switch for this year. With the current situation, what should be done is apply a patch that stops any time changes, until further notice. I'm currently working on it. WIll submit it as soon as I have it. Besides I have found this bug both Debian GNU/Linux Etch as Lenny and Ubuntu Hardy, which would not be very rare if the package that maintains is based on the one of Debian, I have observed this problem also in OpenBSD 4.3. will we be in the presence of a generalized bug in the definition of the zone? Are used common definitions in all these operating systems? I reply myself on this point. I have understood that the zones definitions are taken from here: ftp://elsie.nci.nih.gov/pub/ Thus, this bug can not be noticed by any Unix-based operating system that has not made some additional control of these definitions, as also it happened to OpenBSD. It is strange to me that taking these definitions from the same source, in Etch/Lenny the change would take place before Sid. I believe that until the mantainers of the zones definitios file of the elsie FTP are not informed into this inconsistency ---a change of timezone that never was official by the Argentine state and it was applied by error to these definitions--- we will have to be cautious so that after to have corrected the problem in our Unix-based operating systems there are no other updates that can undo them. Thanks for the patch, Marga :-) Regards, Daniel - -- Daniel Bareiro - System Administrator Fingerprint: BFB3 08D6 B4D1 31B2 72B9 29CE 6696 BF1B 14E6 1D37 Powered by Debian GNU/Linux Lenny - Linux user #188.598 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkjpZQoACgkQZpa/GxTmHTfKMQCeOMlXPpxhe8U/HPB67uVoTUCO ct4An1VAZ9jlYKiiFNSXrIayyZrZzn9o =MzAk -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#501169: tzdata has moved the GMT from -3 to -2
On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 7:59 PM, Daniel Bareiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: will we be in the presence of a generalized bug in the definition of the zone? Are used common definitions in all these operating systems? Indeed the problem was in upstream's definition of Argentina's timezone. They incorrectly assumed that we were going to switch our clocks today. And a few weeks ago changed their minds to state that the change is on the third Sunday (that's why sid wasn't affected _today_). -- Besos, Marga -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#501169: tzdata has moved the GMT from -3 to -2.
Package: tzdata Version: 2008e-3 Severity: normal Argentina's timezone is GMT -3, but tzdata gives GMT -2, So instead of the clock has moved one hour forward, and the daylight saving (or 'summer time') doesn't starts until next summer (in aprox, 3 months). Installing tzdata from unstable, appearently fixes this issue though. -- System Information: Debian Release: lenny/sid APT prefers testing APT policy: (500, 'testing') Architecture: amd64 (x86_64) Kernel: Linux 2.6.26-1-amd64 (SMP w/2 CPU cores) Locale: LANG=es_AR.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=es_AR.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8) Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash Versions of packages tzdata depends on: ii debconf [debconf-2.0] 1.5.22 Debian configuration management sy tzdata recommends no packages. tzdata suggests no packages. -- debconf information: tzdata/Zones/Australia: tzdata/Zones/Asia: tzdata/Zones/SystemV: tzdata/Zones/Pacific: tzdata/Zones/Atlantic: * tzdata/Zones/Etc: UTC tzdata/Zones/Arctic: tzdata/Zones/Antarctica: tzdata/Zones/Europe: tzdata/Zones/Africa: * tzdata/Zones/America: Argentina/Buenos_Aires * tzdata/Areas: America tzdata/Zones/Indian: -- JID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://lusers.com.ar/ 2B82 A38D 1BA5 847A A74D 6C34 6AB7 9ED6 C8FD F9C1 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#501169: tzdata has moved the GMT from -3 to -2.
Argentinian government hasn't decided upon the Daylight Saving times for 2008. They might happen in October, November, December or not happen at all. tzdata 2008-e release (present in Etch and Lenny) has the switch scheduled for today, so a lot of boxes are currently showing the wrong time. tzdata 2008-f release (present in Sid) changed the switch for the third Sunday in October. I have no idea from where they got this information, I've crawled every possible news site from our country and there has been no information regarding the switch for this year. With the current situation, what should be done is apply a patch that stops any time changes, until further notice. I'm currently working on it. WIll submit it as soon as I have it. -- Besos, Marga -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#501169: tzdata has moved the GMT from -3 to -2.
tags 501169 +patch thanks Here's the patch. Attaching it as a single patch, and as a debdiff. This is for the version in unstable. I'll send the one for Etch in a different mail (the patch is almost the same, but the diff doesn't apply due to a small change). -- Besos, Marga Index: tzdata-2008f/tzsource/southamerica === --- tzdata-2008f.orig/tzsource/southamerica 2008-10-05 04:49:03.0 + +++ tzdata-2008f/tzsource/southamerica 2008-10-05 04:49:21.0 + @@ -179,7 +179,7 @@ Rule Arg 2007only- Dec 30 0:001:00S Rule Arg 2008max - Mar Sun=15 0:000 - -Rule Arg 2008max - Oct Sun=15 0:001:00S +#Rule Arg 2008max - Oct Sun=15 0:001:00S # From Mariano Absatz (2004-05-21): # Today it was officially published that the Province of Mendoza is changing diff -u tzdata-2008f/debian/changelog tzdata-2008f/debian/changelog --- tzdata-2008f/debian/changelog +++ tzdata-2008f/debian/changelog @@ -1,3 +1,10 @@ +tzdata (2008f-1.1) unstable; urgency=low + + * Non-maintainer upload. + * Applying patch to fix time in Argentina. Closes: #501169 + + -- Margarita Manterola [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun, 05 Oct 2008 04:24:05 + + tzdata (2008f-1) unstable; urgency=low [ Christian Perrier ] diff -u tzdata-2008f/debian/patches/series tzdata-2008f/debian/patches/series --- tzdata-2008f/debian/patches/series +++ tzdata-2008f/debian/patches/series @@ -1,2 +1,3 @@ +argentina.diff -p2 systemv.diff -p1 java.diff -p1 only in patch2: unchanged: --- tzdata-2008f.orig/debian/patches/argentina.diff +++ tzdata-2008f/debian/patches/argentina.diff @@ -0,0 +1,13 @@ +Index: tzdata-2008f/tzsource/southamerica +=== +--- tzdata-2008f.orig/tzsource/southamerica2008-10-05 04:49:03.0 + tzdata-2008f/tzsource/southamerica 2008-10-05 04:49:21.0 + +@@ -179,7 +179,7 @@ + + Rule Arg 2007only- Dec 30 0:001:00S + Rule Arg 2008max - Mar Sun=15 0:000 - +-Rule Arg 2008max - Oct Sun=15 0:001:00S ++#Rule Arg 2008max - Oct Sun=15 0:001:00S + + # From Mariano Absatz (2004-05-21): + # Today it was officially published that the Province of Mendoza is changing
Bug#501169: tzdata has moved the GMT from -3 to -2.
Patches for the Etch version. The debdiff includes a debhelper log file, that I guess was removed upon clean or something. I have the packages that I built and tested located at: http://www.marga.com.ar/~marga/debian/tzdata/ -- Besos, Marga Index: tzdata-2008e/tzsource/southamerica === --- tzdata-2008e.orig/tzsource/southamerica 2008-10-05 04:42:27.0 + +++ tzdata-2008e/tzsource/southamerica 2008-10-05 04:42:40.0 + @@ -166,7 +166,7 @@ # are quite possibly wrong, but are more likely than no DST at all. Rule Arg 2007only- Dec 30 0:001:00S Rule Arg 2008max - Mar Sun=15 0:000 - -Rule Arg 2008max - Oct Sun=1 0:001:00S +# Rule Arg 2008max - Oct Sun=1 0:001:00S # From Mariano Absatz (2004-05-21): # Today it was officially published that the Province of Mendoza is changing diff -u tzdata-2008e/debian/patches/series tzdata-2008e/debian/patches/series --- tzdata-2008e/debian/patches/series +++ tzdata-2008e/debian/patches/series @@ -1 +1,2 @@ +argentina.diff -p2 systemv.diff -p0 diff -u tzdata-2008e/debian/changelog tzdata-2008e/debian/changelog --- tzdata-2008e/debian/changelog +++ tzdata-2008e/debian/changelog @@ -1,3 +1,10 @@ +tzdata (2008e-1etch1.1) stable; urgency=low + + * Non-maintainer upload. + * Applying patch to fix time in Argentina. Closes: #501169 + + -- Margarita Manterola [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun, 05 Oct 2008 05:01:46 + + tzdata (2008e-1etch1) stable; urgency=low * New upstream release: reverted: --- tzdata-2008e/debian/tzdata.debhelper.log +++ tzdata-2008e.orig/debian/tzdata.debhelper.log @@ -1,12 +0,0 @@ -dh_installdirs -dh_install -dh_installchangelogs -dh_link -dh_installdocs -dh_installinfo -dh_compress -dh_fixperms -dh_installdeb -dh_gencontrol -dh_md5sums -dh_builddeb only in patch2: unchanged: --- tzdata-2008e.orig/debian/patches/argentina.diff +++ tzdata-2008e/debian/patches/argentina.diff @@ -0,0 +1,13 @@ +Index: tzdata-2008e/tzsource/southamerica +=== +--- tzdata-2008e.orig/tzsource/southamerica2008-10-05 04:42:27.0 + tzdata-2008e/tzsource/southamerica 2008-10-05 04:42:40.0 + +@@ -166,7 +166,7 @@ + # are quite possibly wrong, but are more likely than no DST at all. + Rule Arg 2007only- Dec 30 0:001:00S + Rule Arg 2008max - Mar Sun=15 0:000 - +-Rule Arg 2008max - Oct Sun=1 0:001:00S ++# RuleArg 2008max - Oct Sun=1 0:001:00 S + + # From Mariano Absatz (2004-05-21): + # Today it was officially published that the Province of Mendoza is changing
