Bug#504042: perl-doc recommendation
tag 442805 - wontfix thanks On Sat, Dec 06, 2008 at 02:40:48AM +1100, Brendan O'Dea wrote: Many of the complaints about Debian's handling of documentation came from IRC, where recommendations of perldoc -f whatever were often met with a response from the querent of perdoc not found. These complaints have subsequently been addressed by the addition of the stub perldoc which provides instructions to apt-get install perl-doc. So you may be able to downgrade the recommendation to a suggests, although a better suggestion might be for apt/dpkg to support a Soft-Recommends which would be installed by default only when the package was directly selected, rather than pulled in as a dependency. OK, lacking that I think I'll go for the downgrading. The perldoc stub seems to be a working compromise. Untagging, we'll see if it's too late for lenny. -- Niko Tyni nt...@debian.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#504042: perl-doc recommendation
On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 6:24 PM, Raphael Hertzog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brendan meant: apt-get install perl should install perl-doc because the user is interested in perl but apt-get install dpkg-dev which does also depend on perl should not install perl-doc because perl-doc is not really related to dpkg-dev. Exactly. While it's an interesting idea, I don't think it's really worth the complexity. On reflection, this is really a UI issue and an additional control field should not be necessary. More complex UIs like aptitude, or the venerable dselect handle this by punting the choice on a case-by case basis to the user... apt-get is a bit more coarse. Perhaps APT::Install-Recommends should be a tri-state: always | never | direct rather than a boolean to achieve the same result. With direct of course selecting only recommended packages which are direct dependencies of the packages given on the command line. Or, as you say, it may not be worth the effort. Disk these days is relatively cheap, and perl-doc is all of 8M. Special cases require special handling--If disk space, or network bandwidth is really of such a premium, then perhaps a more judicious manual selection is required by the user. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#504042: perl-doc recommendation
On Fri, 05 Dec 2008, Eugene V. Lyubimkin wrote: Hello. Brendan O'Dea wrote: [snip] So you may be able to downgrade the recommendation to a suggests, although a better suggestion might be for apt/dpkg to support a Soft-Recommends which would be installed by default only when the package was directly selected, rather than pulled in as a dependency. If package was directly selected, it will be installed as a regular package. I see no aims of 'Soft-Recommends' type of dependency. It seems that 'Suggests' is what you need. Brendan meant: apt-get install perl should install perl-doc because the user is interested in perl but apt-get install dpkg-dev which does also depend on perl should not install perl-doc because perl-doc is not really related to dpkg-dev. While it's an interesting idea, I don't think it's really worth the complexity. Cheers, -- Raphaël Hertzog Le best-seller français mis à jour pour Debian Etch : http://www.ouaza.com/livre/admin-debian/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#504042: perl-doc recommendation
[+#504042, debian-dpkg, deity] On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 1:02 AM, Niko Tyni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I could use some backing with #504042 / #496770 (perl-doc gets pulled in by default). You tagged #442805 as wontfix with There is a bit of history with the perl-doc package... The perl community has been at times very critical of the fact that the docs are split out *at all*. The argument is that the docs are an integral part of the perl distribution. Have you got any references? I've been searching for a while and the best I came up with was http://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.perl6.stdlib/2000/09/msg109.html which doesn't really apply as #86154 has been fixed for ages. Please comment on #504042 if possible. I can see this becoming a popular complaint with lenny because it's the first release where apt installs recommends by default. Hrm. apt installing recommends by default certainly paints this issue with a different colour. An odd choice, given that the same problem existed with dselect until joeyh provided a fix which caused the prompt for recommended packages for installation to be presented only once. Many of the complaints about Debian's handling of documentation came from IRC, where recommendations of perldoc -f whatever were often met with a response from the querent of perdoc not found. These complaints have subsequently been addressed by the addition of the stub perldoc which provides instructions to apt-get install perl-doc. So you may be able to downgrade the recommendation to a suggests, although a better suggestion might be for apt/dpkg to support a Soft-Recommends which would be installed by default only when the package was directly selected, rather than pulled in as a dependency. --bod -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#504042: perl-doc recommendation
Hello. Brendan O'Dea wrote: [snip] So you may be able to downgrade the recommendation to a suggests, although a better suggestion might be for apt/dpkg to support a Soft-Recommends which would be installed by default only when the package was directly selected, rather than pulled in as a dependency. If package was directly selected, it will be installed as a regular package. I see no aims of 'Soft-Recommends' type of dependency. It seems that 'Suggests' is what you need. -- Eugene V. Lyubimkin aka JackYF, JID: jackyf.devel(maildog)gmail.com Ukrainian C++ developer, Debian APT contributor signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
