Bug#509732: closed by Don Armstrong d...@debian.org (Re: Bug#509732: Kalle's message #68)

2008-12-28 Thread José Luis González
 From: Don Armstrong d...@debian.org
 To: 509732-d...@bugs.debian.org
 Subject: Re: Bug#509732: Kalle's message #68
 Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 17:53:34 -0800
 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17)

 On Sat, 27 Dec 2008, José Luis González wrote:
  And can another developer file a serious bug if an error was found
  in the Manual? If so, please, let the description of Severe in the
  canonical location be updated.

 If such a bug was possible, it would fall afoul of makes unrelated
 software on the system (or the whole system) break.

The bug is about the Manual, not the policy package. The debian-policy
package wouldn't [make] unrelated software on the system (or the whole
system) break, only the Manual. If the erroneous Manual was not yet in
the package that severity wouldn't apply to the package. If it was, the
severity would apply to the Document in the package. The former isn't
falling afoul of, the latter could.

  My point was that if nobody able to set the severity to serious
  cared about it the error could remain and so the RC bugs it could
  have caused.

 Anyone can set the severity to an RC level; only certain people can
 make the final adjudication of severity.

And according to the description of severities none of the RC levels
are appliable to the hypothetical case described above.

  Yes, it is. I understand the description of serious only legitimates
  the mantainer to set this severity to the policy package when a bug
  about an error in the Manual that can lead to RC bugs is filed.

 I'm not following you at all here. It sounds like you're concerned
 about some kind of hypothetical bug in policy which could cause
 breakage in other packages. If such a bug were to happen, and it were
 filed against the debian-policy package, it will have its severity
 properly set

It can't have it's severity set to an RC level if the current
description of severities is applied, for the reasons stated before
(please, see Message #80 and #111.)

It is not whether it is possible per-se to set the severity, but that
the current descriptions of severities do not make that hypothetical bug
RC. Since they don't make it RC, whomever wishes to set the severity to
RC could see somebody else set it back to non-RC and if there was a
disagreement between both, it would be necessary that a Release Manager
considered it RC and intervened since the description would make it
non-RC.

 , as there are no less than 10 people who read this list
 who are also policy maintainers and/or RMs and/or responsible for the
 BTS.

May I know if bugs under debian-policy are sent to the list? If they
are not automatically it is still possible that it won't get into the
list and won't have its severity properly set.

 Regardless, I'd much rather restrict myself to the non-hypothetical
 problems that we need to deal with in Debian, so I'll stop here.

 Closing this report with this message.

Please, do not close bugs just because you don't want to deal with
them. If the bug is still present it must remain open. If you can
argument that the bug is not present anymore I will accept that it is
closed. Since this hasn't happened yet I am going to reopen.

If you are still uncomfortable with this bug getting too much attention
please remember that its severity is minor.



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Bug#509732: closed by Don Armstrong d...@debian.org (Re: Bug#509732: Kalle's message #68)

2008-12-28 Thread Don Armstrong
On Sun, 28 Dec 2008, José Luis González wrote:
 The bug is about the Manual, not the policy package. The
 debian-policy package wouldn't [make] unrelated software on the
 system (or the whole system) break, only the Manual. If the
 erroneous Manual was not yet in the package that severity wouldn't
 apply to the package. If it was, the severity would apply to the
 Document in the package. The former isn't falling afoul of, the
 latter could.

I have no clue what you're talking about here, then. This hypothetical
case makes no sense.

If it breaks other packages, it's an RC bug. If the bug is in
debian-policy, but doesn't actually break other packages, then it's
(probably) not an RC bug. People are watching -policy and can make the
determination.
 
 May I know if bugs under debian-policy are sent to the list? If they
 are not automatically it is still possible that it won't get into
 the list and won't have its severity properly set.

They are automatically sent.
 
 Please, do not close bugs just because you don't want to deal with
 them.

I closed this bug with that message because:

1) The problem that I could understand was entirely hypothetical

2) The failure class that you presented is already covered

Thus, the problem has already been dealt with.


Don Armstrong

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