Bug#513796: php5-xapian: PHP license incompatible with Xapian
Hi, Have you considered contacting the copyright owners to get their agreement to add an exception? maybe it is going to be easier to add an exception than re- licensing all the xapian code. Cheers, -- Raphael Geissert - Debian Developer www.debian.org - get.debian.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#513796: php5-xapian: PHP license incompatible with Xapian
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 02:26:24PM -0600, Raphael Geissert wrote: Have you considered contacting the copyright owners to get their agreement to add an exception? maybe it is going to be easier to add an exception than re- licensing all the xapian code. If you mean adding an exception to Xapian's licence, that's not feasible. I tried negotiating with two of them years ago, and it just wastes a lot of time. I'd rather spend that time working towards a version of Xapian which doesn't contain any of their code. If you mean adding an exception to PHP's licence, my understanding from reading past debian-legal threads is that this isn't likely to be achievable. Also, the PHP FAQ explicitly deals with Why is PHP 4 not dual-licensed under the GNU General Public License (GPL) like PHP 3 was? (not adequately in my view, since they don't address incompatibility with GPL libraries, but it seems they've made their decision on this): http://php.net/license/index.php I never heard back from the FSF, so unless they reply belatedly, or I can get a legal opinion from another plausible source that GPLv3 and PHP licences are compatible, my plan is to drop php5-xapian when we get to freezing squeeze. Cheers, Olly -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#513796: php5-xapian: PHP license incompatible with Xapian
On 23 February 2010 19:53, Olly Betts o...@survex.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 02:26:24PM -0600, Raphael Geissert wrote: Have you considered contacting the copyright owners to get their agreement to add an exception? maybe it is going to be easier to add an exception than re- licensing all the xapian code. If you mean adding an exception to Xapian's licence, that's not feasible. I tried negotiating with two of them years ago, and it just wastes a lot of time. I'd rather spend that time working towards a version of Xapian which doesn't contain any of their code. Yes, that's what I meant. I never heard back from the FSF, so unless they reply belatedly, or I can get a legal opinion from another plausible source that GPLv3 and PHP licences are compatible, my plan is to drop php5-xapian when we get to freezing squeeze. Oh, ok. Cheers, -- Raphael Geissert - Debian Developer www.debian.org - get.debian.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#513796: php5-xapian: PHP license incompatible with Xapian
On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 01:47:44PM +, Olly Betts wrote: On Sun, Feb 01, 2009 at 11:55:49AM +0100, Sylvain Beucler wrote: - check with debian-legal to confirm Have you done so since filing this bug? (Sorry for the delay in responding, BTW - I was away on holiday). No response for a month... I tried searching the debian-legal archives. Hard to know for sure as php is a noisy search term (lots of URLs end .php), but it seems you haven't, so I'll bring this up there shortly. Cheers, Olly -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#513796: php5-xapian: PHP license incompatible with Xapian
On Sun, Feb 01, 2009 at 11:55:49AM +0100, Sylvain Beucler wrote: This issue was raised upstream but hasn't been resolved (and probably can't at their level): http://trac.xapian.org/ticket/191 We managed to find the SWIG code contributor who added the code to SWIG which was inserting the PHP 2.02 licence boilerplate into the generated wrapper and he was happy to remove that, which means we no longer have both GPL and PHP licences in the SWIG-generated source file, which was the original report there. But as the later comments say, there are still unresolved licence compatibility issues. I'm afraid that ticket seems to have dropped off my radar after getting that resolved - thanks for bringing it up again. There's code in Xapian which the current developers don't own the copyright to, so any solution requiring relicensing Xapian isn't possible, or at least not in the near future (at some point all of that code may get replaced). It would nice to: - check with debian-legal to confirm Have you done so since filing this bug? (Sorry for the delay in responding, BTW - I was away on holiday). - contact the PHP community so they convert these naming restrictions into a proper trademark, making the copyright license GPL-compatible (like other scripting languages) I think it would need to be the PHP Group rather than the community - it's them who own the copyright. A trademark would indeed be a saner way to defend the name PHP (since it would cover non-derived software too). It's a shame they dropped the GPL dual-licensing that PHP3 had as that would have made this a non issue. Cheers, Olly -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#513796: php5-xapian: PHP license incompatible with Xapian
Package: php5-xapian Version: 1.0.7-3.1 Severity: serious Justification: Policy 2.3 The PHP license is incompatible with the GNU GPL license due to strong restrictions on the usage of the term 'PHP'. Thus combining PHP and Xapian through the php5-xapian module is not permitted and cannot be redistributed. This issue was raised upstream but hasn't been resolved (and probably can't at their level): http://trac.xapian.org/ticket/191 It would nice to: - check with debian-legal to confirm - contact the PHP community so they convert these naming restrictions into a proper trademark, making the copyright license GPL-compatible (like other scripting languages) -- System Information: Debian Release: 5.0 APT prefers testing APT policy: (500, 'testing'), (300, 'unstable'), (1, 'experimental') Architecture: i386 (i686) Kernel: Linux 2.6.26-1-vserver-686 (SMP w/1 CPU core) Locale: LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=fr_FR.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8) Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash Versions of packages php5-xapian depends on: ii libapache2-mod-p 5.2.6.dfsg.1-0.1~lenny1 server-side, HTML-embedded scripti ii libc62.7-18 GNU C Library: Shared libraries ii libgcc1 1:4.3.2-1.1 GCC support library ii libstdc++6 4.3.2-1.1 The GNU Standard C++ Library v3 ii libxapian15 1.0.7-4 Search engine library ii php5-cli [phpapi 5.2.6.dfsg.1-0.1~lenny1 command-line interpreter for the p ii php5-common 5.2.6.dfsg.1-0.1~lenny1 Common files for packages built fr php5-xapian recommends no packages. Versions of packages php5-xapian suggests: pn xapian-docnone (no description available) -- no debconf information -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
