Bug#515850: RFP: mjpegtools - MJPEG video capture/editting/playback MPEG encoding
owner 515850 pkg-multimedia-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org thanks Am 29.11.2010 17:07, schrieb Reinhard Tartler: It is basically a buggy, orphaned and incomplete reference implementation, which projects like mjpegtools took as basis and improved them. The original authors disappeared, and from what I deduce from http://www.mpeg.org/MPEG/mpeg-pointers-and-resources/, the MSSG software is considered public-domain nowadays. I guess we can and should try to get the package into debian, with these pieces of information included in debian/copyright. I hope, but honestly do not believe, that one web page that mentions the term public domain and another one that holds software that can somehow be connected to the code in mpjegtools is sufficient to convince FTP-Masters of its DFSG-freeness. Anyway, we should start bring the package in shape and simply try! For those interested, we could start with my packages targeted at debian-unofficial.org (when etch was stable!) found here: http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/restricted/dists/trunk/mjpegtools/ - Fabian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#515850: RFP: mjpegtools - MJPEG video capture/editting/playback MPEG encoding
On Thu, Sep 03, 2009 at 10:14:02 (CEST), Fabian Greffrath wrote: Reinhard Tartler schrieb: Will it make sense to start packaging in pkg-multimedia git now? if you have some spare time, why not. I just fear that it will rott in NEW. It wouldn't be the first package to end like that :-( Regarding mjpegtools, I think the source even got some more severe license issues than the ones you pointed out before, e.g. mjpegtools-1.9.0/aenc/common.h (and several other files in aenc/): /* * Copyright (c) 1991 MPEG/audio software simulation group, All Rights Reserved * common.h */ /** * MPEG/audio coding/decoding software, work in progress * * NOT for public distribution until verified and approved by the * * MPEG/audio committee. For further information, please contact * * Davis Pan, 508-493-2241, e-mail: p...@gauss.enet.dec.com * [...] Doen's look likely to meet the DFSG requirements. :( I took another look at the source code. Indeed, is some considerable work in the package that is derived from the MSSG (the Mpeg software simulation group). More information on that group can be found here: http://www.mpeg.org/MPEG/video/mssg-free-mpeg-software.html It is basically a buggy, orphaned and incomplete reference implementation, which projects like mjpegtools took as basis and improved them. The original authors disappeared, and from what I deduce from http://www.mpeg.org/MPEG/mpeg-pointers-and-resources/, the MSSG software is considered public-domain nowadays. I guess we can and should try to get the package into debian, with these pieces of information included in debian/copyright. -- Gruesse/greetings, Reinhard Tartler, KeyID 945348A4 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#515850: RFP: mjpegtools - MJPEG video capture/editting/playback MPEG encoding
Reinhard Tartler schrieb: Will it make sense to start packaging in pkg-multimedia git now? if you have some spare time, why not. I just fear that it will rott in NEW. It wouldn't be the first package to end like that :-( Regarding mjpegtools, I think the source even got some more severe license issues than the ones you pointed out before, e.g. mjpegtools-1.9.0/aenc/common.h (and several other files in aenc/): /* * Copyright (c) 1991 MPEG/audio software simulation group, All Rights Reserved * common.h */ /** * MPEG/audio coding/decoding software, work in progress * * NOT for public distribution until verified and approved by the * * MPEG/audio committee. For further information, please contact * * Davis Pan, 508-493-2241, e-mail: p...@gauss.enet.dec.com * [...] Doen's look likely to meet the DFSG requirements. :( -- Dipl.-Phys. Fabian Greffrath Ruhr-Universität Bochum Lehrstuhl für Energieanlagen und Energieprozesstechnik (LEAT) Universitätsstr. 150, IB 3/134 D-44780 Bochum Telefon: +49 (0)234 / 32-26334 Fax: +49 (0)234 / 32-14227 E-Mail: greffr...@leat.ruhr-uni-bochum.de -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#515850: RFP: mjpegtools - MJPEG video capture/editting/playback MPEG encoding
Hi all, Reinhard Tartler schrieb: One can now argue what commercial implementation actually means. I'm still waiting for ftp-master to comment on this, but AFAIUI, I don't see why debian wouldn't be able to ship the binaries of mjpegtools, lame and similar free software in non-free. non-free as a convenience for users[1], that build assemble and sell pre-installed and pre-configured devices running debian. [1] http://debian.org/distrib/pre-installed ftp-master, can you please comment on adding this kind software to non-free? have we got an answer/statement to this yet? Will it make sense to start packaging in pkg-multimedia git now? Cheers, Fabian -- Dipl.-Phys. Fabian Greffrath Ruhr-Universität Bochum Lehrstuhl für Energieanlagen und Energieprozesstechnik (LEAT) Universitätsstr. 150, IB 3/134 D-44780 Bochum Telefon: +49 (0)234 / 32-26334 Fax: +49 (0)234 / 32-14227 E-Mail: greffr...@leat.ruhr-uni-bochum.de -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#515850: RFP: mjpegtools - MJPEG video capture/editting/playback MPEG encoding
Fabian Greffrath greffr...@leat.rub.de writes: have we got an answer/statement [from ftp-master] to this yet? No, I haven't heared anything yet. I really do hope that we get an answer on that soon. Last saturday joerg asked me to resend another mail about mpeg in debian, I have to finally write that mail this mail. But in the end, this inquiry is a very similar topic... Will it make sense to start packaging in pkg-multimedia git now? if you have some spare time, why not. I just fear that it will rott in NEW. It wouldn't be the first package to end like that :-( -- Gruesse/greetings, Reinhard Tartler, KeyID 945348A4 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#515850: RFP: mjpegtools - MJPEG video capture/editting/playback MPEG encoding
Reinhard Tartler siret...@tauware.de writes: Fabian Greffrath greffr...@leat.rub.de writes: have we got an answer/statement [from ftp-master] to this yet? No, I haven't heared anything yet. I really do hope that we get an answer on that soon. Last saturday joerg asked me to resend another mail about mpeg in debian, I have to finally write that mail this mail. But in the end, this inquiry is a very similar topic... Will it make sense to start packaging in pkg-multimedia git now? if you have some spare time, why not. I just fear that it will rott in NEW. It wouldn't be the first package to end like that :-( Still trying to cheat. Apparently the same problem with ffmpeg was not a lesson... Christian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#515850: RFP: mjpegtools - MJPEG video capture/editting/playback MPEG encoding
The following message is a courtesy copy of an article that has been posted to gmane.linux.debian.devel.general as well. [ CC'ed ftp-master, please see below ] José Manuel Santamaría Lema panfa...@gmail.com writes: It should be great if someone can package this tools for debian, a software which I'm packaging depend on this tools. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=467228 are you willing to package it under the pkg-multimedia umbrella? Its already packaged in ubuntu multiverse: http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/mjpegtools There is also a version in debian-multimedia: http://debian-multimedia.org/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/package/mjpegtools.php Sure, ubuntu has imported some packages from marillat, including mjpegtools. I don't understand why mjpegtools is in ubuntu multiverse because as far as I know, ubuntu multiverse is non-free software, but mjpegtools seems to be free software as its dependencies. The debian/copyright file is close to useless. You need to inspect the source manually to get an idea of its legal status. From mpeg2enc/mpeg2coder.cc (but there are many similar comments in mpeg2enc/*.cc): /* * Disclaimer of Warranty * * These software programs are available to the user without any license fee or * royalty on an as is basis. The MPEG Software Simulation Group disclaims * any and all warranties, whether express, implied, or statuary, including any * implied warranties or merchantability or of fitness for a particular * purpose. In no event shall the copyright-holder be liable for any * incidental, punitive, or consequential damages of any kind whatsoever * arising from the use of these programs. * * This disclaimer of warranty extends to the user of these programs and user's * customers, employees, agents, transferees, successors, and assigns. * * The MPEG Software Simulation Group does not represent or warrant that the * programs furnished hereunder are free of infringement of any third-party * patents. * * Commercial implementations of MPEG-1 and MPEG-2 video, including shareware, * are subject to royalty fees to patent holders. Many of these patents are * general enough such that they are unavoidable regardless of implementation * design. * */ One can now argue what commercial implementation actually means. I'm still waiting for ftp-master to comment on this, but AFAIUI, I don't see why debian wouldn't be able to ship the binaries of mjpegtools, lame and similar free software in non-free. non-free as a convenience for users[1], that build assemble and sell pre-installed and pre-configured devices running debian. [1] http://debian.org/distrib/pre-installed ftp-master, can you please comment on adding this kind software to non-free? -- Gruesse/greetings, Reinhard Tartler, KeyID 945348A4 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#515850: RFP: mjpegtools - MJPEG video capture/editting/playback MPEG encoding
Reinhard Tartler schrieb: One can now argue what commercial implementation actually means. I'm still waiting for ftp-master to comment on this, but AFAIUI, I don't see why debian wouldn't be able to ship the binaries of mjpegtools, lame and similar free software in non-free. [...] ftp-master, can you please comment on adding this kind software to non-free? We also attempted to wait for a statement from ftp-master about the iclusion of the h261 encoder in the ffmpeg packages. IIRC in the end we simply pushed it in the NEW queue and it got accepted -- without an explicit statement from ftp-master. Maybe we should proceed just like this with mjpegtools, i.e. prepare packages and upload them. If they get rejected we'll know why. If not, even better... ;) -- Dipl.-Phys. Fabian Greffrath Ruhr-Universität Bochum Lehrstuhl für Energieanlagen und Energieprozesstechnik (LEAT) Universitätsstr. 150, IB 3/134 D-44780 Bochum Telefon: +49 (0)234 / 32-26334 Fax: +49 (0)234 / 32-14227 E-Mail: greffr...@leat.ruhr-uni-bochum.de -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#515850: RFP: mjpegtools - MJPEG video capture/editting/playback MPEG encoding
Reinhard Tartler siret...@debian.org writes: The following message is a courtesy copy of an article that has been posted to gmane.linux.debian.devel.general as well. As you know (you are the ffmpeg maintainer) MPEG2 is not free, this is why this encoder has been removed from ffmpeg. So mjpegtools can't enter in Debian. Christian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#515850: RFP: mjpegtools - MJPEG video capture/editting/playback MPEG encoding
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist X-Debbugs-CC: debian-de...@lists.debian.org Package name: mjpegtools Version: 1.9.0 Upstream Author: Rainer Johanni rai...@johanni.de Gernot Ziegler g...@lysator.liu.se Andrew Stevens andrew.stev...@nexgo.de Bernhard Praschinger shadowl...@utanet.at Ronald Bultjerbul...@ronald.bitfreak.net Xavier Biquard biqu...@free.fr Matthew Marjanovic mad...@mir.com pHilipp Zabelpza...@gmx.de Kawamata/Hitoshi hitoshi.kawam...@nifty.ne.jp Stefan Fendt ste...@lionfish.ping.de Scott Moser smo...@brickies.net Shawn Sulma lavto...@athos.cx Mike Bernson m...@mlb.org James Klicmanja...@klicman.org URL: http://mjpeg.sourceforge.net/ License: GPL Description: The mjpeg programs are a set of tools that can do recording of videos and playback, simple cut-and-paste editing and the MPEG compression of audio and video under Linux. It should be great if someone can package this tools for debian, a software which I'm packaging depend on this tools. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=467228 Its already packaged in ubuntu multiverse: http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/mjpegtools There is also a version in debian-multimedia: http://debian-multimedia.org/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/package/mjpegtools.php I don't understand why mjpegtools is in ubuntu multiverse because as far as I know, ubuntu multiverse is non-free software, but mjpegtools seems to be free software as its dependencies. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
