Bug#526613: wiki.debian.org: offensive icon
On Sun, May 03, 2009 at 06:56:32PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: > On Sat, 02 May 2009, Simon Raven wrote: > > I don't see why a stereotype of us should be used to represent > > community. I'm sure non-Indigenous people have communities too, and > > have a sense of community, why should we be made an example in such > > a negative way? > > I'm not quite sure why an icon of a tipi used in the manner it is used I was under the impression it was "teepee", but then again I also thought that "eskimo" was a legitimate word, when I have since learned it is in fact insulting. -- Chris. == I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. -- Stephen F Roberts -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#526613: wiki.debian.org: offensive icon
retitle 526613 possible cultural appropriation of tipi icon on wiki thanks On Mon, 04 May 2009, Simon Raven Côté wrote: > That is not the negative aspect, it is that someone not of that > culture is using the tipi icon to represent community. I.E., > cultural appropriation. If the issue is cultural appropriation, then please, lets use the those terms instead. I personally don't think that the utilization of tipi in the narrow context of representing community is a particularly egregious form of cultural appropriation. That said, if someone proproses a replacement that more elegantly represents community, by all means change it. [Patches are better than just bugs…] Don Armstrong -- If you wish to strive for peace of soul, then believe; if you wish to be a devotee of truth, then inquire. -- Friedrich Nietzsche http://www.donarmstrong.com http://rzlab.ucr.edu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#526613: wiki.debian.org: offensive icon
On Sat, 02 May 2009, Simon Raven wrote: > I don't see why a stereotype of us should be used to represent > community. I'm sure non-Indigenous people have communities too, and > have a sense of community, why should we be made an example in such > a negative way? I'm not quite sure why an icon of a tipi used in the manner it is used would be considered a negative stereotype of the peoples of the Great Plains, especially as no claim is made regarding the nature of the community behind those pages. Don Armstrong -- Personally, I think my choice in the mostest-superlative-computer wars has to be the HP-48 series of calculators. They'll run almost anything. And if they can't, while I'll just plug a Linux box into the serial port and load up the HP-48 VT-100 emulator. -- Jeff Dege, jd...@winternet.com http://www.donarmstrong.com http://rzlab.ucr.edu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#526613: wiki.debian.org: offensive icon
Hello,
On Sat, 2009-05-02 at 04:31 -0400, Simon Raven wrote:
>
> http://wiki.debian.org/Portal/IDB?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=icon-community-32x32.png
>
> The title attribute IDs it as "Portal/IDB/icon-community-32x32.png".
I am pretty sure that the contributor who chose this tent icon had no
intend to offend anyone. Actually, I am pretty sure that he chose a tent
icon because a tent represent a place where people/families/friends get
in group, altogether with open mind. From the top of my mind , I would
associate those word with "group", "share", "talk", "friendly" which are
extremely positive values.
(As opposed to a house/home icon which, in my mind, is the place which
is associated with words like "family", "ownership" and "security")
> This icon is a) stereotyping so-called "North American" Indigenous
> peoples.
Note that in no way, this icon is associated with "North American"
Indigenous peoples in this website.
It seems that tents with such shape exists all over the world.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sibley_tent
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavvu
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goahti
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chum_(tent)
> and I would highly recommend and demand that this icon be
> changed.
We will consider that.
> I don't see why a stereotype of us should be used to represent
> community. I'm sure non-Indigenous people have communities too, and have
> a sense of community, why should we be made an example in such a
> negative way?
Negative way? I do believe that this icon was chosen because of the
positive values associated with those large tents used in many places in
the world.
I believe that "North American" Indigenous and other people who
live/lived in tents should be extremely proud of the positive values
carried by such icons.
> Sure we have a lot to offer the rest of the non-Indigenous
> world, and have, a LOT,
I am pretty sure of that.
> but hey, don't keep up the false images. We don't all live in tipis on
> Great Turtle Island ("North America"), you know.
I don't understand what would be so negative, living in tipis?
Be sure, that we will consider changing the icon.
Thank you for your feedback,
Regards,
Franklin
[1] http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coron_(urbanisme)
P.S.
We should all be proud of how we lived in the past, what ever
the situation. For instance, I come from a part of France which
is known for it coalmines, slag heaps and corons[1] (typical
houses) where men used to die at 40~45. Those were tough lives
for all families. Many people want to erase the slag heaps to
forget about it all... I believe that forgetting would a shame.
P.S.2
Do you know that there are some efforts to improve North
America's
Indigenous Languages support in Debian? See:
http://wiki.debian.org/I18n/NorthAmericanIndigenousLanguages
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Bug#526613: wiki.debian.org: offensive icon
Package: wiki.debian.org
Severity: normal
http://wiki.debian.org/Portal/IDB?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=icon-community-32x32.png
The title attribute IDs it as "Portal/IDB/icon-community-32x32.png".
This icon is a) stereotyping so-called "North American" Indigenous
peoples, and I would highly recommend and demand that this icon be
changed. I don't see why a stereotype of us should be used to represent
community. I'm sure non-Indigenous people have communities too, and have
a sense of community, why should we be made an example in such a
negative way? Sure we have a lot to offer the rest of the non-Indigenous
world, and have, a LOT, but hey, don't keep up the false images. We
don't all live in tipis on Great Turtle Island ("North America"), you know.
Thanks for your time,
simon
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