Bug#526760: root-tail: Don't display anything at all since X.org update
On Sat, 06 Feb 2010 10:25:22 +0100 Andreas Tscharner wrote: > Francesco Poli wrote: [...] > > Hi Andreas! > > I am another root-tail user. > > > > I am currently running root-tail/1.2-3 on a Debian testing box, and I > > am *not* experiencing the bug you reported. [...] > I am no longer able to reproduce the bug. The program works (again) as > expected. This bug can be closed. Andreas, thanks for your update! I am happy to learn that root-tail now works for you too. Stephen, is it OK with you, if the bug is closed? -- http://www.inventati.org/frx/progs/scripts/pdebuild-hooks.html Need some pdebuild hook scripts? . Francesco Poli . GnuPG key fpr == C979 F34B 27CE 5CD8 DC12 31B5 78F4 279B DD6D FCF4 pgpeW3INX1x1f.pgp Description: PGP signature
Bug#526760: root-tail: Don't display anything at all since X.org update
Francesco Poli wrote:
On Sun, 03 May 2009 13:05:09 +0200 Andreas Tscharner wrote:
Package: root-tail
Version: 1.2-3
Severity: grave
Justification: renders package unusable
I start root-tail in WindowMaker autostart
(~/GNUstep/Library/WindowMaker/autostart)
with the following command:
root-tail -g 700x200+950+850 -fn fixed /var/log/messages,green ~/.xsession-errors,
blue &
This does not display anything at all after the X.org update.
Hi Andreas!
I am another root-tail user.
I am currently running root-tail/1.2-3 on a Debian testing box, and I
am *not* experiencing the bug you reported.
I use Fluxbox (rather than WindowMaker) and start root-tail from my
~/.xsession script with the following command-line:
root-tail -f -g 538x320+8+64 -font '-*-fixed-*-r-*-*-10-*-*-*-*-*-iso10646-*' \
/var/log/messages,green /var/log/exim4/mainlog,yellow /var/log/kern.log,red
The program works as it used to do in the past.
I am no longer able to reproduce the bug. The program works (again) as
expected. This bug can be closed.
Best regards
Andreas
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Bug#526760: root-tail: Don't display anything at all since X.org update
tags 526760 + help thanks On Wed, 3 Feb 2010 23:55:51 + Stephen Gran wrote: > This one time, at band camp, Francesco Poli said: > > On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 12:57:03 + Stephen Gran wrote: > > > > > This one time, at band camp, Francesco Poli said: > > [...] > > > > Stephen, what do you think? Should this bug be downgraded to > > > > important? Could you please help Andreas in solving his problem? > > > > > > I think that a package that non-deterministically doesn't work > > > probably doesn't belong in a stable release. > > > > Wait, who said that the bug shows up non-deterministically? > > The fact that "this user sees this behavior and that user doesn't" it > sort of the definition? This does not necessarily stem from a lack of determinism: the two users may use the package in different ways and/or environments. What seems to be non-deterministic, may well be deterministically caused by different variable values that weren't taken into account! Or otherwise it could really be non-deterministic, of course... > This isn't the first report I've had, although > it is the only BTS report. I've also managed to reproduce it once in > enlightenment, and then failed to reproduce it the next time I tried. As I said, I use root-tail with Fluxbox and I know other people that use it similarly. [...] > I think we have different definitions of what should go in a stable > release. If this was more important than a leaf package of relatively > niche interest, I would of course invest more time and effort in > figuring out what was going wrong. Since it is just an edge package > with a relatively low popcon score, it seems to me my effort is better > spent elsewhere, and my feeling is that, in the meantime, software that > only sometimes works doesn't belong in a stable release. Any suggested alternative package to be used as a replacement? My typical use of root-tail is displaying some differently-colored log file tails on the root window with tiny fonts, so that I keep an eye on them. Are there other packages that can fit this task? [...] > > > I unfortunately don't have enough knowledge about the X api to make > > > any good guesses as to what the problem might be. > > > > I think there are tags for this kind of situation (e.g.: "help"). > > I believe you're allowed to tag the bug report that way if you want .. OK, the above command should add the tag for you. -- http://www.inventati.org/frx/progs/scripts/pdebuild-hooks.html Need some pdebuild hook scripts? . Francesco Poli . GnuPG key fpr == C979 F34B 27CE 5CD8 DC12 31B5 78F4 279B DD6D FCF4 pgpP6IuEZEj0B.pgp Description: PGP signature
Bug#526760: root-tail: Don't display anything at all since X.org update
This one time, at band camp, Francesco Poli said: > On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 12:57:03 + Stephen Gran wrote: > > > This one time, at band camp, Francesco Poli said: > [...] > > > Stephen, what do you think? Should this bug be downgraded to > > > important? Could you please help Andreas in solving his problem? > > > > I think that a package that non-deterministically doesn't work > > probably doesn't belong in a stable release. > > Wait, who said that the bug shows up non-deterministically? The fact that "this user sees this behavior and that user doesn't" it sort of the definition? This isn't the first report I've had, although it is the only BTS report. I've also managed to reproduce it once in enlightenment, and then failed to reproduce it the next time I tried. > This situation does not look like the definition of a severity 'grave' > bug: the bug does not seem to make the package unusable or mostly so. > I would say the severity of this bug is more like 'important' or even > 'normal'. I am under the impression that there is probably some serious misbehavior in the package. It works for some people perfectly fine, but may accidentally go wrong and kill your kittens. I think we have different definitions of what should go in a stable release. If this was more important than a leaf package of relatively niche interest, I would of course invest more time and effort in figuring out what was going wrong. Since it is just an edge package with a relatively low popcon score, it seems to me my effort is better spent elsewhere, and my feeling is that, in the meantime, software that only sometimes works doesn't belong in a stable release. If you want to look after it, you can of course make different decisions about where your time is best spent and what you want to support through a release cycle (and what quality of software is useful to release in Debian in general). > > I unfortunately don't have enough knowledge about the X api to make > > any good guesses as to what the problem might be. > > I think there are tags for this kind of situation (e.g.: "help"). I believe you're allowed to tag the bug report that way if you want .. Cheers, -- - | ,''`.Stephen Gran | | : :' :sg...@debian.org | | `. `'Debian user, admin, and developer | |`- http://www.debian.org | - signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#526760: root-tail: Don't display anything at all since X.org update
On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 12:57:03 + Stephen Gran wrote: > This one time, at band camp, Francesco Poli said: [...] > > Stephen, what do you think? > > Should this bug be downgraded to important? > > Could you please help Andreas in solving his problem? > > I think that a package that non-deterministically doesn't work probably > doesn't belong in a stable release. Wait, who said that the bug shows up non-deterministically? What I know is that I use root-tail without experiencing any major issue. Moreover, I know other people that use root-tail without any big problem. On the other hand, I take notice that Andreas reported his problem: he is apparently experiencing a bug in a given environment (WindowMaker, etc.), *unless* he has solved his issue in the meanwhile... I don't see any evidence of non-deterministic behavior in root-tail. The program seems to work for a number of people, while it does not seem to work for some other people (at least one), in a different environment. This situation does not look like the definition of a severity 'grave' bug: the bug does not seem to make the package unusable or mostly so. I would say the severity of this bug is more like 'important' or even 'normal'. > I unfortunately don't have enough > knowledge about the X api to make any good guesses as to what the > problem might be. I think there are tags for this kind of situation (e.g.: "help"). [...] > If Andreas has any additional information, that would be great I would be interested in reading an update from Andreas, too. -- http://www.inventati.org/frx/progs/scripts/pdebuild-hooks.html Need some pdebuild hook scripts? . Francesco Poli . GnuPG key fpr == C979 F34B 27CE 5CD8 DC12 31B5 78F4 279B DD6D FCF4 pgp5HFeHiJPu7.pgp Description: PGP signature
Bug#526760: root-tail: Don't display anything at all since X.org update
This one time, at band camp, Francesco Poli said: > On Sun, 03 May 2009 13:05:09 +0200 Andreas Tscharner wrote: > > I start root-tail in WindowMaker autostart > > (~/GNUstep/Library/WindowMaker/autostart) > > with the following command: > > > > root-tail -g 700x200+950+850 -fn fixed /var/log/messages,green > > ~/.xsession-errors, blue & > > > > This does not display anything at all after the X.org update. > > Hi Andreas! > I am another root-tail user. > > I am currently running root-tail/1.2-3 on a Debian testing box, and I > am *not* experiencing the bug you reported. ... > Stephen, what do you think? > Should this bug be downgraded to important? > Could you please help Andreas in solving his problem? I think that a package that non-deterministically doesn't work probably doesn't belong in a stable release. I unfortunately don't have enough knowledge about the X api to make any good guesses as to what the problem might be. The fds that are being read from appear to me to be the usual communication with the X server, not reads from the logfiles (note that the logfiles have been stat()'ed but not yet opened). if root-tail is unable to communicate to the X server, I have no idea why. If Andreas has any additional information, that would be great - it might be something simple like a rebuild fixes it, or it might be something like a subtle bit of the X api has changed with X.org and root-tail won't be fixed until someone who understands X better than I do comes along, or I manage to find the time to finally dig into it enough to debug this. Cheers, -- - | ,''`.Stephen Gran | | : :' :sg...@debian.org | | `. `'Debian user, admin, and developer | |`- http://www.debian.org | - signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#526760: root-tail: Don't display anything at all since X.org update
On Sun, 03 May 2009 13:05:09 +0200 Andreas Tscharner wrote: > Package: root-tail > Version: 1.2-3 > Severity: grave > Justification: renders package unusable > > I start root-tail in WindowMaker autostart > (~/GNUstep/Library/WindowMaker/autostart) > with the following command: > > root-tail -g 700x200+950+850 -fn fixed /var/log/messages,green > ~/.xsession-errors, blue & > > This does not display anything at all after the X.org update. Hi Andreas! I am another root-tail user. I am currently running root-tail/1.2-3 on a Debian testing box, and I am *not* experiencing the bug you reported. I use Fluxbox (rather than WindowMaker) and start root-tail from my ~/.xsession script with the following command-line: root-tail -f -g 538x320+8+64 -font '-*-fixed-*-r-*-*-10-*-*-*-*-*-iso10646-*' \ /var/log/messages,green /var/log/exim4/mainlog,yellow /var/log/kern.log,red The program works as it used to do in the past. I noticed that root-tail got removed from Debian testing because of this bug report. Maybe the severity of this bug is a bit inflated: at least, I don't think that the package is unusable, as I use it everyday without experiencing any grave issues. Stephen, what do you think? Should this bug be downgraded to important? Could you please help Andreas in solving his problem? I would really miss root-tail, if it were removed from Debian! > -- System Information: [...] > Versions of packages root-tail depends on: > ii libc6 2.9-9 GNU C Library: Shared libraries > ii libx11-6 2:1.2.1-1 X11 client-side library [...] My box has libc6/2.10.2-2 , libx11-6/2:1.3.3-1 and xorg/1:7.5+2 -- http://www.inventati.org/frx/progs/scripts/pdebuild-hooks.html Need some pdebuild hook scripts? . Francesco Poli . GnuPG key fpr == C979 F34B 27CE 5CD8 DC12 31B5 78F4 279B DD6D FCF4 pgppsOCIZ56Nn.pgp Description: PGP signature
Bug#526760: root-tail: Don't display anything at all since X.org update
Package: root-tail
Version: 1.2-3
Severity: grave
Justification: renders package unusable
I start root-tail in WindowMaker autostart
(~/GNUstep/Library/WindowMaker/autostart)
with the following command:
root-tail -g 700x200+950+850 -fn fixed /var/log/messages,green
~/.xsession-errors, blue &
This does not display anything at all after the X.org update. The only
message I get is
Missing charsets in String to FontSet conversion (ISO8859-2)
Missing charsets in String to FontSet conversion (ISO8859-2)
which is due to UTF-8 characters
strace shows after a while the repeated following output:
select(6, [5], NULL, NULL, {2, 40}) = 0 (Timeout)
stat64("/var/log/messages", {st_mode=S_IFREG|0640, st_size=158139, ...}) = 0
stat64("/home/andy/.xsession-errors", {st_mode=S_IFREG|0600, st_size=0, ...}) = 0
read(5, 0x96c8230, 4096)= -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily
unavailable)
read(3, "", 4096) = 0
read(4, "", 4096) = 0
read(5, 0x96c8230, 4096)= -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily
unavailable)
read(5, 0x96c8230, 4096)= -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily
unavailable)
again and again and again ...
I have permission for both files.
-- System Information:
Debian Release: squeeze/sid
APT prefers unstable
APT policy: (500, 'unstable')
Architecture: i386 (i686)
Kernel: Linux 2.6.29 (SMP w/2 CPU cores)
Locale: LANG=de_CH.utf8, LC_CTYPE=de_CH.utf8 (charmap=UTF-8) (ignored: LC_ALL
set to de_CH.utf8)
Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash
Versions of packages root-tail depends on:
ii libc6 2.9-9 GNU C Library: Shared libraries
ii libx11-6 2:1.2.1-1 X11 client-side library
root-tail recommends no packages.
root-tail suggests no packages.
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