Bug#531405: xmlto: please don't recommend dblatex

2009-06-01 Thread Steve Langasek
Package: xmlto
Version: 0.0.21-5

Hi Daniel,

When preparing to do a dist-upgrade, I found that something on my system was
trying to pull in the entire texlive suite.  This something turned out to be
xmlto, which has a new Recommends: on dblatex.

Policy says about Recommends that:

The `Recommends' field should list packages that would be found
together with this one in all but unusual installations.

I don't think it's at all unusual to want to use xmlto without having to
pull in all of texlive, so I think this package relationship should be
demoted to a Suggests.

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Bug#531405: xmlto: please don't recommend dblatex

2009-06-01 Thread Daniel Leidert
Am Montag, den 01.06.2009, 03:14 -0700 schrieb Steve Langasek:

JFTR: There is already a report about this (#519389), where this has
been discussed. Merging.

 When preparing to do a dist-upgrade, I found that something on my system was
 trying to pull in the entire texlive suite.  This something turned out to be
 xmlto, which has a new Recommends: on dblatex.
 
 Policy says about Recommends that:
 
 The `Recommends' field should list packages that would be found
 together with this one in all but unusual installations.

The PDF/PS/DVI formats can be produced via dblatex, passivetex or fop
(with docbook-xsl). The last one was in contrib for a long time and has
been moved to Suggests for this reason [1]. The second is buggy. dblatex
was the only working one and I expect, that users of xmlto want to have
PDF/PS/DVI support in a common installation.

 I don't think it's at all unusual to want to use xmlto without having to
 pull in all of texlive, so I think this package relationship should be
 demoted to a Suggests.

NACK. You can ignore Recommends if you know what you are doing.
Everybody else expects a full working xmlto.

Installation of the toolchains is not enforced and you have the choice
to disable/ignore Recommends-installation. I therefor leave this as
wontfix. I fail to see compelling reasons to downgrade the package
relationship further (it is already a Recommends and not a Depends).

[1] Now that it is back in main I plan to move it back to Recommends.

Regards, Daniel




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Bug#531405: xmlto: please don't recommend dblatex

2009-06-01 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 05:59:57PM +0200, Daniel Leidert wrote:
 The PDF/PS/DVI formats can be produced via dblatex, passivetex or fop
 (with docbook-xsl). The last one was in contrib for a long time and has
 been moved to Suggests for this reason [1]. The second is buggy. dblatex
 was the only working one and I expect, that users of xmlto want to have
 PDF/PS/DVI support in a common installation.

  I don't think it's at all unusual to want to use xmlto without having to
  pull in all of texlive, so I think this package relationship should be
  demoted to a Suggests.

 NACK. You can ignore Recommends if you know what you are doing.
 Everybody else expects a full working xmlto.

I don't know who these people are who expect xmlto to do things that
require dblatex, but I'm not one of them.

Then again, I don't know why xmlto was installed here in the first place, so
I've purged it now. shrug

 Installation of the toolchains is not enforced and you have the choice
 to disable/ignore Recommends-installation. I therefor leave this as
 wontfix. I fail to see compelling reasons to downgrade the package
 relationship further (it is already a Recommends and not a Depends).

The reason to downgrade it is that pulling in all of texlive isn't a sane
default.

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