Bug#573745: Call for votes on Python Maintainer Question
Don Armstrong writes (Bug#573745: Call for votes on Python Maintainer Question): I call for a vote on the following resolution to #573745. ... I believe any of these options requires a simple majority (under §6.1.2) but I could see arguments that A or B requires a 3:1 majority (under §6.1.4). If it becomes necessary, we will adhere to the Secretary's interpretation. Reassigning maintainership of a package is explicitly mentioned in 6.1.2, so I think it's clear that only 1:1 is required. Ian. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#573745: Call for votes on Python Maintainer Question
Don Armstrong writes (Bug#573745: Call for votes on Python Maintainer Question): I call for a vote on the following resolution to #573745. ... I vote C B A F Ian. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#573745: Call for votes on Python Maintainer Question
Andreas Barth writes (Re: Bug#573745: Call for votes on Python Maintainer Question): * Don Armstrong (d...@debian.org) [121004 23:09]: I call for a vote on the following resolution to #573745. 7. A The committee resolves that the maintainer of python interpreter A packages in Debian is a team made up of members decided by (and A including) Sandro Tosi mo...@debian.org B The committee resolves that the maintainer of python interpreter B packages in Debian is a team made up of members decided by (and B including) Jakub Wilk jw...@debian.org C The committee declines to change the maintainer of the python C interpreter packages in Debian. C C 8. The committee requests that Matthias Klose consider adding C additional co-maintainers to the python interpreter package. I vote C [AB] F. Resending this message from Andreas to the bug report. Ian. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#573745: Call for votes on Python Maintainer Question
I call for a vote on the following resolution to #573745. === BEGIN RESOLUTION === The technical committee was asked in #573745 to consider replacing the current maintainer of python (Matthias Klose.) Multiple issues were presented at the time, including a lack of communication from the python maintainer, delays in uploads of new versions of python to unstable/experimental, and a lack of coordination with packaging helpers such as python-support, and python-central. 1. The communication between the python maintainer and other individuals affected by python packaging has not been ideal. These breakdowns appear to be rooted in an unfortunate feedback loop, of which all parties involved share some blame. a) On multiple occasions, inflammatory comments regarding the employment and/or motives of individuals involved in python have been made. b) The target(s) of these inflammatory comments then decline to respond to any messages from the offending parties, and also reduce public communication to other parties lest further hurtful and demotivating comments ensue. c) The lack of response is taken as further confirmation of motives/bias, and decreases the threshold for additional terse or inflammatory comments. This reinforces b, completing the loop. Neither the inflammatory comments, nor the lack of response are acceptable outcomes. 2. No mediation was attempted by a party respected by the involved parties until the pattern was well established and very difficult to overcome. In the future, everyone would be better served if similar issues were resolved in a nascent stage. 3. To resolve this issue, the committee has two options. It can either replace the maintainer, or it can decide not to replace the maintainer. Either decision will appear to validate one problematic behavior or the other. 4. All relevant and interested parties have been canvassed, via the -python list, to find what the possible teams of maintainers are for the python interpreter packages. See https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/20120403083658.gb30...@upsilon.cc and the ensuing thread. Therefore, 5. The committee expresses its disappointment in the communication problems which have lead to this issue, and strongly suggests that all involved parties be as awesome to each other as possible. In the advent of communication failures or problems, we request that any involved party contact a third party (such as a member of the technical committee) to mediate. 6. The committee requests that all major changes in the python interpreter packages which will affect other packages in Debian be announced on the appropriate mailing lists before they take effect so they can be planned for and/or unplanned problems discussed. 7. A The committee resolves that the maintainer of python interpreter A packages in Debian is a team made up of members decided by (and A including) Sandro Tosi mo...@debian.org B The committee resolves that the maintainer of python interpreter B packages in Debian is a team made up of members decided by (and B including) Jakub Wilk jw...@debian.org C The committee declines to change the maintainer of the python C interpreter packages in Debian. C C 8. The committee requests that Matthias Klose consider adding C additional co-maintainers to the python interpreter package. === END RESOLUTION === I believe any of these options requires a simple majority (under §6.1.2) but I could see arguments that A or B requires a 3:1 majority (under §6.1.4). If it becomes necessary, we will adhere to the Secretary's interpretation. Don Armstrong -- I learned really early the difference between knowing the name of something and knowing something -- Richard Feynman What is Science Phys. Teach. 7(6) 1969 http://www.donarmstrong.com http://rzlab.ucr.edu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#573745: Call for votes on Python Maintainer Question
On Thu, 04 Oct 2012, Don Armstrong wrote: I call for a vote on the following resolution to #573745. I vote C [AB] F. Don Armstrong -- Junkies were all knitted together in a loose global macrame, the intercontinental freemasonry of narcotics. -- Bruce Sterling, _Holy Fire_ p257 http://www.donarmstrong.com http://rzlab.ucr.edu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#573745: Call for votes on Python Maintainer Question
Don Armstrong d...@debian.org writes: I call for a vote on the following resolution to #573745. I vote CBAF. -- Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ pgpKdv6qyrRPK.pgp Description: PGP signature
Bug#573745: Call for votes on Python Maintainer Question
Don Armstrong d...@debian.org writes: I call for a vote on the following resolution to #573745. I vote C [AB] F. Bdale pgp5QIYkm1Ehd.pgp Description: PGP signature
Bug#573745: Call for votes on Python Maintainer Question
* Don Armstrong (d...@debian.org) [121004 23:09]: I call for a vote on the following resolution to #573745. 7. A The committee resolves that the maintainer of python interpreter A packages in Debian is a team made up of members decided by (and A including) Sandro Tosi mo...@debian.org B The committee resolves that the maintainer of python interpreter B packages in Debian is a team made up of members decided by (and B including) Jakub Wilk jw...@debian.org C The committee declines to change the maintainer of the python C interpreter packages in Debian. C C 8. The committee requests that Matthias Klose consider adding C additional co-maintainers to the python interpreter package. I vote C [AB] F. Andi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121004222439.gg26...@mails.so.argh.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#573745: Call for votes on Python Maintainer Question
On Thu, Oct 04, 2012 at 02:05:53PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: I call for a vote on the following resolution to #573745. I vote CBFA. -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature
