Bug#575087: bug 575087 : On a default installation wbar will fail due dot.wbar
severity 575087 important thanks As i have announced before, i'm changing the severity to important again. The reasons are in short: * Wbar is usable out-of-the-box, if you install it with Recommends * Wbar is usable if you install it without Recommends but then it needs configuration which is not unbearable IMO. Thus setting the severity to Grave is not the right thing to do. Either way changing icons is normal for a launch bar. Using a font as decoration is even optional. A solution to the root problem of the bug reporter would be better and more configuration options. This has been achieved in wbar 2.3.4. Due to the many code changes in 2.3.4 it is too late to consider it at this point of the freeze for Wheezy. But i'm willing to backport new versions to Wheezy if someone is interested in it. Regards, Markus signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#575087: bug 575087 : On a default installation wbar will fail due dot.wbar
On Tue, 16 Oct 2012 12:43:39 +0200, Markus Koschany wrote: Due to the many code changes in 2.3.4 it is too late to consider it at this point of the freeze for Wheezy. But i'm willing to backport new versions to Wheezy if someone is interested in it. Sounds like a good plan, thanks for this offer. Cheers, gregor -- .''`. Homepage: http://info.comodo.priv.at/ - OpenPGP key 0xBB3A68018649AA06 : :' : Debian GNU/Linux user, admin, and developer - http://www.debian.org/ `. `' Member of VIBE!AT SPI, fellow of the Free Software Foundation Europe `- signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#575087: bug 575087 : On a default installation wbar will fail due dot.wbar
Hi Markus and Gregor, On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 12:26:19AM +0200, gregor herrmann wrote: On Fri, 12 Oct 2012 23:08:49 +0200, Markus Koschany wrote: I'm in favor of downgrading this bug to important again but i would like to hear Barts opinion first. Right, I'm also looking forward to hear Bart's point of view. Thank you both for for asking my point of view. My opinion was hidden here: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?msg=14;bug=575087 | The merged bugs 575087 and 599083 describe multiple problems. One of the | described problems is that wbar silently fails to display a bar on a default | Debian installation. That matches the text makes the package in question | unusable or mostly so making the severity of this bug grave. My opinion is based on how I understand Depends and Recommends in debian-policy. The package should work, providing at least some basic funcionality, without the software in Recommends. And about Julien's reason for downgrading to important : http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?msg=7;bug=599083 Editing the ~/.wbar file to specify an existing font should not be needed. The initial ~/.wbar, or /etc/wbar.conf if such file exists, should use an existing font included with the package or installed on the system via Depends, not Recommends. So, in my opinion, this bug should be fixed in wheezy. But, if you want to downgrade the bug to important, then I'm not going to the TC for this. :-) Regards, Bart Martens -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#575087: bug 575087 : On a default installation wbar will fail due dot.wbar
On Sat, 13. Oct 06:08 Bart Martens ba...@debian.org wrote: Hi Bart, My opinion is based on how I understand Depends and Recommends in debian-policy. The package should work, providing at least some basic funcionality, without the software in Recommends. I think this bug highlights why we can and should learn from (package) history and why every maintainer often sits between two stools. :-) For example there is Rogério Brito who argued three years ago one should not make the dustin font a hard dependency because this would save disk space if someone creates a special disk image, e.g. a Live-CD. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=539654 Three years later you're requesting the opposite. Now i also think you can revert every decission from the past but i agree with Rogério here. Then one of the features of wbar is, it's a light launch bar. It has only a few essential dependencies. Of course thus wbar can't compare to feature rich applications like AWN-dock, Cairo-dock or Docky. It's niche is old hardware with less RAM, and it's great in combination with window manager setups. Other distributions are using its strength: TinyCore Linux uses wbar as part of his default desktop and it also looks good on the live cd from linuxgamers.net. And about Julien's reason for downgrading to important : http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?msg=7;bug=599083 Editing the ~/.wbar file to specify an existing font should not be needed. As long as you install wbar with recommends that's exactly what's happening now. initial ~/.wbar, or /etc/wbar.conf if such file exists, should use an existing font included with the package or installed on the system via Depends, not Recommends. So, in my opinion, this bug should be fixed in wheezy. The initial wbar package shipped icons and a font but alas they were non-free. I could recently convince upstream to remove them completely from their svn repo and now everyone has the opportunity to choose fonts and icons which they prefer. And i think that's exactly one of Debian's strengths to use recommends to create a sane default but also let experienced users decide to remove them completely and choose whatever icons and fonts they like. But you have to choose, not just to remove! Yes configuration can sometimes be troublesome, but i'm sure editing a conf file and changing paths to icons and fonts is not the hardest task. Last but not least, i even think policy is on my side: Recommends This declares a strong, but not absolute, dependency. The Recommends field should list packages that would be found together with this one in all but unusual installations. Honestly how do you call a launch bar without icons? But, if you want to downgrade the bug to important, then I'm not going to the TC for this. :-) That makes me very happy because i would have been considered such a scenario a very bad start into official debian packaging. :-) Regards, Markus signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#575087: bug 575087 : On a default installation wbar will fail due dot.wbar
On Sat, 13 Oct 2012 06:08:01 +, Bart Martens wrote: Hi Markus and Gregor, Hi Bart, Thank you both for for asking my point of view. My opinion was hidden here: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?msg=14;bug=575087 | The merged bugs 575087 and 599083 describe multiple problems. One of the | described problems is that wbar silently fails to display a bar on a default | Debian installation. That matches the text makes the package in question | unusable or mostly so making the severity of this bug grave. My opinion is based on how I understand Depends and Recommends in debian-policy. The package should work, providing at least some basic funcionality, without the software in Recommends. I see your point; where I disagree is that wbar _does_ work without Recommends, it just needs configuration. Although that's a bit annoying, I don't think it's too much to ask from a user to configure a program before using it, and wbar is not the only package that needs configuration before being able to run. And about Julien's reason for downgrading to important : http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?msg=7;bug=599083 Editing the ~/.wbar file to specify an existing font should not be needed. The initial ~/.wbar, or /etc/wbar.conf if such file exists, should use an existing font included with the package or installed on the system via Depends, not Recommends. That would of course be better; still I don't think that a problematic default config qualifies as makes a package unusable or mostly so. So, in my opinion, this bug should be fixed in wheezy. But, if you want to downgrade the bug to important, then I'm not going to the TC for this. :-) :) Cheers, gregor -- .''`. Homepage: http://info.comodo.priv.at/ - OpenPGP key 0xBB3A68018649AA06 : :' : Debian GNU/Linux user, admin, and developer - http://www.debian.org/ `. `' Member of VIBE!AT SPI, fellow of the Free Software Foundation Europe `- NP: Bob Dylan: I Am A Lonesome Hobo signature.asc Description: Digital signature
