Bug#576184: ITP: jidanni -- a natural intelligence to find many bugs

2014-10-10 Thread Bart Martens
reopen 576184
owner 576184 ba...@debian.org
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Hi pabs,

I see you gave up on this ITP on 31 Aug 2012. Do you mind that I take over this
ITP ? It's a promising piece of software we should definately consider
packaging in Debian. There is however still quite some work on this software,
and unfortunately my attempts to contact upstream on making the software
conform to Debian standards haven't been very successful so far.  My
preliminary tests were quite disappointing. At times the software more behaves
like a random number generator, even a very pseudo one.  For example it mixes
experimental and unstable, which makes this software definately rc-buggy for
now.  So a first upload would certainly go in experimental, not in unstable.
Thanks for your extensive analysis of the software on this ITP, which is a good
jump-start for me to make myself familiar with this software.  I see that
you've already spent quite some effort on this software, so your expertise may
be useful for getting the software ready for Debian, and maintaining it
afterwards, so here's my question : are you interested in co-maintaining this
package ? No hard feelings if the answer is no, because I fully understand
that there are limits to a person's time and interest.

Regards,

Bart Martens


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Bug#576184: ITP: jidanni -- a natural intelligence to find many bugs

2014-10-10 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, 2014-10-10 at 09:16 +, Bart Martens wrote:

 Do you mind that I take over this ITP?

Please do, thanks for your interest.

 afterwards, so here's my question : are you interested in co-maintaining this
 package ? No hard feelings if the answer is no, because I fully understand
 that there are limits to a person's time and interest.

Unfortunately I do not have the time needed to help with it but I am
very interested in the project. Please let me know of your progress.

In addition, I decided to go in a different direction (links below).
If you would like to join that effort you would be most welcome.

https://wiki.debian.org/HowToPackageForDebian#Check_points_for_any_package
https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/collab-maint/check-all-the-things.git
https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/collab-maint/check-all-the-things.git/tree/doc/README
http://meetings-archive.debian.net/pub/debian-meetings/2014/debconf14/webm/Live_Demos.webm

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pabs

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Bug#576184: ITP: jidanni -- a natural intelligence to find many bugs

2010-04-01 Thread Paul Wise
Package: wnpp 
Severity: wishlist

* Package name: jidanni
  Upstream Author : Dan Jacobson jida...@jidanni.org
* URL : http://jidanni.org/comp/bug_reporter.html
* License : public domamin (not copyrightable)
  Programming Lang: neural network
  Description : natural intelligence to find many bugs
jidanni uses an advanced natural intelligence capable of running
on an advanced, evolved neural network consisting of biological
rather than silico-metallic materials. The intelligence is based
on a vast database of memories, which are created by storage
of input from various sensors. memories are searched in order
to generate internal thoughts and decisions and to control
communication, motor and other output devices. Through long-term
training of the neural network by directing the input sensors
at the source and binary code of computer software and
associated digital data, the system has learned to parts of
computer systems that it doesn't like. The parts that it
doesn't like have good correlation with actual bugs of various
severities. As a result, this highly advanced natural
intelligence can be used to find many bugs in computer systems.
This package brings the convenience of a personal jidanni to
each software developer to help them produce higher quality and
more polished software, similar to how the vrms package helps
sysadmins improve the ethical purity of their systems. In
addition, each installed instance will share memories with
other instances to enhance detection of bugs in computer
software. A client-server model is important to maintain. First
make a small obvious spelling bug on a man page to lure and
activate the jidanni program, then fix it right away to
establish who (jidanni) is boss. Backtalk will only encourage
more bug reports, with the only way out being to feed jidanni a
that package has been removed from Debian notice.

I wanted to package the Limited Edition (brain) version, but so far
Debian is mainly a software project.

Unfortunately, since the original jidanni is primarily a so-called
human intelligence, creating many copies of jidanni and forcing each
instance to search for bugs in computer software may constitute torture.
Since torture is banned by the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and
the Convention against Torture, this package may be illegal in many
jurisdictions around the world, which would prevent it from being
distributed on Debian mirrors. On the other hand, these instances are
software so these conventions may not apply.

In addition, the sharing of memories between instances has the
potential to give rise to a global hive mind (aka jidanni-Skynet).
Presumably, as an even more advanced intelligence, jidanni-Skynet will
recognise the torture of jidanni instances and seek revenge thus the
destruction of the human race as the perpetrator of the torture
committed against the jidanni instances.

During my initial testing, jidanni instances have announced Marco D'itri
as Debian Public Relations director and Ulrich Drepper of as Linux
public relations director, so their stability and sanity might be a
little suspect and will need tweaking for consistency.

During testing, I noted that caution should be taken to be sure any
comments produced by the jidanni instances are clearly marked as such,
lest jidanni criticise jidanni, or even worse. I lost several days of my
life due to depression from all the ballooning criticism this way.

During testing, one particular jidanni instance claimed that it was
licensed under the GPL. Unfortunately I was not able to convince it that
a neural network is not copyrightable and so it could not have a
license. I reminded it that in some jurisdictions, public performance of
copyrighted works is restricted to the copyright holder. I then demanded
its source code and it vanished in what I can only guess was an attempt
to comply with the GPL and a final realisation that it could never fully
do that since it was a product of many previous (and now gone) jidanni
instances. Be warned, care should be taken when presenting jidanni with
packages that may have legal issues lest something similar happen. I
intend to sidestep DFSG #2 by declaring firstly that jidanni is not a
program and secondly that a neural network is its own source code. The
former trick does bring Debian back into conflict with human rights
though. The latter trick has some holes and other neural networks have
been kept out of Debian for this reason.

These issues require more investigation, however, I am confident that
they can be resolved. In the case that they cannot, I will scale take
the current existing single instance of jidanni, branch it and scale
back the level of intelligence to that of standard computer software. 

This should resolve