Bug#578750: [RFP] Kmid2 (again)

2011-06-11 Thread Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas
Hi Valerio,

You said:
 I fear that either the qt-kde debian team will refuse my kmid package 
 anyway or that I might encounter problems with upstream author.

Sorry for the cross-posting. I am the upstream author, and somehow I've found 
your message in the mailing list archives. I'm answering your message because 
you deserve to know the facts, and mitigate your fear. I also have the right to 
defend my reputation, and fight against any misinformation, propaganda or 
innuendo against me coming from the IRC channels and mailing lists. I can't 
talk about that theory of a mafia actively blocking Kmid, but I positively 
assure you that I am not a monster.

Here are the facts. More than one year ago, in May/2010, Leandro (along with 
his sponsor Ana Guerrero) was trying to package my Drumstick libraries for 
Debian, because this package is required by Kmid2 (and by my other programs: 
Kmidimon and Kmetronome, already in Debian). They found that Drumstick included 
a dozen utility programs without the corresponding man pages, which are 
required by Debian standards, so they asked me to write the man pages. I've 
done so, committed the man pages to the SVN repository and sent him a patch 
containing the requested man pages and build system changes. Instead of 
applying this patch to his package, he answered me that the Drumstick and Kmid2 
Debian packages were postponed until a future release of Drumstick that 
included the man pages, giving me the argument that he works in Debian as a 
volunteer, without time to waste processing patches. I was shocked by this 
argument because I'm also a volunteer. I'm not paid for writing Kmid2 or any of 
my other Linux programs. My relationship with them was seriously compromised, 
and any future collaboration between down and upstream was doubtful, with these 
precedents. 

I want to say that I'm in very good relationship with other Debian developers: 
Adrian, Free, Alessio, Arnout and Mehdi. I thank you for your work with my 
programs, especially for the contributions that you made and sent upstream.

Debian is now the only major distribution not including Kmid2. For your 
convenience, in Ubuntu you can find Kmid2 in these PPA's:
https://launchpad.net/~ferramroberto/+archive/testing/+build/1920542
https://launchpad.net/~kxstudio-team/+archive/ppa/+packages?field.name_filter=kmid2

Regards,
Pedro



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Bug#578750: [RFP] Kmid2 (again)

2011-06-11 Thread Modestas Vainius
Hello,

On šeštadienis 11 Birželis 2011 15:41:02 Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas wrote:
 Hi Valerio,
 
 You said:
  I fear that either the qt-kde debian team will refuse my kmid package
  anyway or that I might encounter problems with upstream author.
 
 Sorry for the cross-posting.

You should really be sorry.

 I am the upstream author, and somehow I've
 found your message in the mailing list archives. I'm answering your
 message because you deserve to know the facts, and mitigate your fear. I
 also have the right to defend my reputation, and fight against any
 misinformation, propaganda or innuendo against me coming from the IRC
 channels and mailing lists. I can't talk about that theory of a mafia
 actively blocking Kmid, but I positively assure you that I am not a
 monster.

I have no idea who you are but what such kind of mails are doing in public 
user support mailing list (debian-...@lists.debian.org)? This is a personal 
attack in my book. What's more, you put words in other people's mouth.

 Here are the facts. More than one year ago, in May/2010, Leandro (along
 with his sponsor Ana Guerrero) was trying to package my Drumstick
 libraries for Debian, because this package is required by Kmid2 (and by my
 other programs: Kmidimon and Kmetronome, already in Debian). They found
 that Drumstick included a dozen utility programs without the corresponding
 man pages, which are required by Debian standards, so they asked me to
 write the man pages. I've done so, committed the man pages to the SVN
 repository and sent him a patch containing the requested man pages and
 build system changes. Instead of applying this patch to his package, he
 answered me that the Drumstick and Kmid2 Debian packages were postponed
 until a future release of Drumstick that included the man pages, giving me
 the argument that he works in Debian as a volunteer, without time to waste
 processing patches. I was shocked by this argument because I'm also a
 volunteer. I'm not paid for writing Kmid2 or any of my other Linux
 programs. My relationship with them was seriously compromised, and any
 future collaboration between down and upstream was doubtful, with these
 precedents.

I have read this paragraph and I don't understand what's the deal here. So 
what, debian maintainer decided to wait until release. That's what Debian 
maintainers do, i.e. they decide what's better Debian (or them at the 
particular time), that's their right and duty. Sometimes users do not like (or 
understand it), sometimes upstream does not like it, sometimes even 
maintainers themselves don't like it (read during slow freezes).

 I want to say that I'm in very good relationship with other Debian
 developers: Adrian, Free, Alessio, Arnout and Mehdi. I thank you for your
 work with my programs, especially for the contributions that you made and
 sent upstream.

Then work with them on kmid2 packaging rather than rant on user support 
mailing list.

 Debian is now the only major distribution not including Kmid2. For your
 convenience, in Ubuntu you can find Kmid2 in these PPA's:
 https://launchpad.net/~ferramroberto/+archive/testing/+build/1920542
 https://launchpad.net/~kxstudio-team/+archive/ppa/+packages?field.name_fil
 ter=kmid2

FYI, PPA is not official ubuntu, nothing near it.

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