Bug#592441: [menu] menu items left from removed packages and fail quietly when menu is removed

[Filipus Klutiero]

On 2010-08-16 05:12, Bill Allombert wrote:

On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 06:10:14PM -0400, Filipus Klutiero wrote:
   

On 2010-08-10 17:52, Bill Allombert wrote:
 

It looks like this bug is a duplicate of #305764 which is 2/3 to be solved.
Now update-menus include an option --remove that remove the generated menu 
files.

Cheers,
   

Oh, right, I forgot to mention the relation with 305764, sorry.
They're not duplicates, but implementing #305764 would solve this
bug. And it's probably the best way to solve it too. This report is
largely here for people to notice if they search in non-wishlist
reports, and in case you'd consider this is not [only] a menu bug.
 

Please either reassign this bug or merge it with 305764.
I do not agree with reporting duplicate bugs just because "people can find 
them".
This is counter productive, because the less bugs is listed the easier it is
to find them.

Cheers,
   

Hi Bill,
this report is not a duplicate of #305764.
#305764 asks for menu to remove generated menus when it is removed, 
which would be nice.
This report is about a problem caused by not removing menu items for 
removed packages when menu is not installed.
The relation between those reports is just that granting #305764 would 
fix this report.


#305764 was originally a bug report mentioning the problem of menus 
getting out of date, but is just a request now. Feature requests and bug 
reports cannot be merged together. Feel free to mark this report as 
blocked by #305764 and to reassign this report if you think this bug is 
not only menu's fault.




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Bug#592441: [menu] menu items left from removed packages and fail quietly when menu is removed

[Bill Allombert]

On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 06:10:14PM -0400, Filipus Klutiero wrote:
> On 2010-08-10 17:52, Bill Allombert wrote:
> >It looks like this bug is a duplicate of #305764 which is 2/3 to be solved.
> >Now update-menus include an option --remove that remove the generated menu 
> >files.
> >
> >Cheers,
> Oh, right, I forgot to mention the relation with 305764, sorry.
> They're not duplicates, but implementing #305764 would solve this
> bug. And it's probably the best way to solve it too. This report is
> largely here for people to notice if they search in non-wishlist
> reports, and in case you'd consider this is not [only] a menu bug.

Please either reassign this bug or merge it with 305764.
I do not agree with reporting duplicate bugs just because "people can find 
them".
This is counter productive, because the less bugs is listed the easier it is 
to find them.

Cheers,
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Bug#592441: [menu] menu items left from removed packages and fail quietly when menu is removed

[Filipus Klutiero]

On 2010-08-10 17:52, Bill Allombert wrote:

On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 01:25:11AM -0400, Filipus Klutiero wrote:
   

Package: menu
Version: 2.1.43
Severity: normal

When menu is removed, it leaves generated menu files behind. These
files then stop being maintained. Consequently, if a package
providing a menu item when menu was last installed is removed after
menu is removed, the generated menu item remains in the menu
hierarchy. At least in KDE, this means the menu item keeps being
displayed in the Debian menu (when menu-xdg is installed). For
example, if smb4k, menu-xdg and menu are all installed, if menu is
removed then smb4k is removed, the menu item "SAMBA for KDE" remains
in the Debian menu. If a user tries to launch smb4k, it obviously
fails, without any feedback.

I don't know menu stuff enough to assert that this is a menu bug.
This might be considered a bug in the interaction between KDE and
menu. menu-xdg currently recommends menu.
 

Hello Filipus,

It looks like this bug is a duplicate of #305764 which is 2/3 to be solved.
Now update-menus include an option --remove that remove the generated menu 
files.

Cheers,
   
Oh, right, I forgot to mention the relation with 305764, sorry. They're 
not duplicates, but implementing #305764 would solve this bug. And it's 
probably the best way to solve it too. This report is largely here for 
people to notice if they search in non-wishlist reports, and in case 
you'd consider this is not [only] a menu bug.




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Bug#592441: [menu] menu items left from removed packages and fail quietly when menu is removed

[Bill Allombert]

On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 01:25:11AM -0400, Filipus Klutiero wrote:
> Package: menu
> Version: 2.1.43
> Severity: normal
> 
> When menu is removed, it leaves generated menu files behind. These
> files then stop being maintained. Consequently, if a package
> providing a menu item when menu was last installed is removed after
> menu is removed, the generated menu item remains in the menu
> hierarchy. At least in KDE, this means the menu item keeps being
> displayed in the Debian menu (when menu-xdg is installed). For
> example, if smb4k, menu-xdg and menu are all installed, if menu is
> removed then smb4k is removed, the menu item "SAMBA for KDE" remains
> in the Debian menu. If a user tries to launch smb4k, it obviously
> fails, without any feedback.
> 
> I don't know menu stuff enough to assert that this is a menu bug.
> This might be considered a bug in the interaction between KDE and
> menu. menu-xdg currently recommends menu.

Hello Filipus,

It looks like this bug is a duplicate of #305764 which is 2/3 to be solved.
Now update-menus include an option --remove that remove the generated menu 
files.

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Bug#592441: [menu] menu items left from removed packages and fail quietly when menu is removed

[Filipus Klutiero]

On 2010-08-10 08:04, Michelle Konzack wrote:

Am 2010-08-10 01:25:11, schrieb Filipus Klutiero:
   

Package: menu
Version: 2.1.43
Severity: normal

When menu is removed, it leaves generated menu files behind.
 

IF "menu" is removed, you will have an non-usable X-Window-System.
   

No, I'm currently on X and menu is not installed.

At least here, because there are more  then  20  programs  including  my
Window-Manager which depend on it.

And removing autogenerated menu.hook files would lead  to  the  hell  of
errors for some WindowManagers, which mean, removing is NO solution.

THE IMPORTANT QUESTION IS:
   How do you have removed "menu" without removing the half workstation?
   

I just removed menu. Nothing else was uninstalled.

Some programs which depend on menu:

[ comman 'apt-cache rdepends menu |tr -d ' ' |sort' ]---
apt-file
cdd-common
debconf
doc-linux-html
doc-linux-nonfree-html
fvwm
keytouch-editor
linpopup
openoffice.org
pdmenu
startupmanager
synaptic
tdfvwm-menu-common
w3m
w3mmee
wmanager
xmahjongg
xvt
   
debconf doesn't depends on menu, it just conflicts with some menu 
version. I suppose most others are wrong.

These
files then stop being maintained. Consequently, if a package
providing a menu item when menu was last installed is removed after
menu is removed, the generated menu item remains in the menu
hierarchy. At least in KDE, this means the menu item keeps being
displayed in the Debian menu (when menu-xdg is installed). For
example, if smb4k, menu-xdg and menu are all installed, if menu is
removed then smb4k is removed, the menu item "SAMBA for KDE" remains
in the Debian menu. If a user tries to launch smb4k, it obviously
fails, without any feedback.
 

Better you tell the maintainer of "smb4k",  that  it  should  depend  on
"menu" :-D, because otherwise menu.hook files are not updated accordenly
   
smb4k doesn't depend on menu. It provides a menu file, but it works fine 
if the file is not used. The menu files not being updated is a systemic 
problem which should be fixed globally.




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Bug#592441: [menu] menu items left from removed packages and fail quietly when menu is removed

[Michelle Konzack]

Am 2010-08-10 01:25:11, schrieb Filipus Klutiero:
> Package: menu
> Version: 2.1.43
> Severity: normal
> 
> When menu is removed, it leaves generated menu files behind.

IF "menu" is removed, you will have an non-usable X-Window-System.

At least here, because there are more  then  20  programs  including  my
Window-Manager which depend on it.

And removing autogenerated menu.hook files would lead  to  the  hell  of
errors for some WindowManagers, which mean, removing is NO solution.

THE IMPORTANT QUESTION IS:
  How do you have removed "menu" without removing the half workstation?

Some programs which depend on menu:

[ comman 'apt-cache rdepends menu |tr -d ' ' |sort' ]---
apt-file
cdd-common
debconf
doc-linux-html
doc-linux-nonfree-html
fvwm
keytouch-editor
linpopup
openoffice.org
pdmenu
startupmanager
synaptic
tdfvwm-menu-common
w3m
w3mmee
wmanager
xmahjongg
xvt

> These
> files then stop being maintained. Consequently, if a package
> providing a menu item when menu was last installed is removed after
> menu is removed, the generated menu item remains in the menu
> hierarchy. At least in KDE, this means the menu item keeps being
> displayed in the Debian menu (when menu-xdg is installed). For
> example, if smb4k, menu-xdg and menu are all installed, if menu is
> removed then smb4k is removed, the menu item "SAMBA for KDE" remains
> in the Debian menu. If a user tries to launch smb4k, it obviously
> fails, without any feedback.

Better you tell the maintainer of "smb4k",  that  it  should  depend  on
"menu" :-D, because otherwise menu.hook files are not updated accordenly

> I don't know menu stuff enough to assert that this is a menu bug.
> This might be considered a bug in the interaction between KDE and
> menu. menu-xdg currently recommends menu.

"menu-xdg" are scripts which convert ".desktop" files to menu files

Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening
Michelle Konzack

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Bug#592441: [menu] menu items left from removed packages and fail quietly when menu is removed

[Filipus Klutiero]

Package: menu
Version: 2.1.43
Severity: normal

When menu is removed, it leaves generated menu files behind. These files 
then stop being maintained. Consequently, if a package providing a menu 
item when menu was last installed is removed after menu is removed, the 
generated menu item remains in the menu hierarchy. At least in KDE, this 
means the menu item keeps being displayed in the Debian menu (when 
menu-xdg is installed). For example, if smb4k, menu-xdg and menu are all 
installed, if menu is removed then smb4k is removed, the menu item 
"SAMBA for KDE" remains in the Debian menu. If a user tries to launch 
smb4k, it obviously fails, without any feedback.


I don't know menu stuff enough to assert that this is a menu bug. This 
might be considered a bug in the interaction between KDE and menu. 
menu-xdg currently recommends menu.



--- System information. ---
Architecture: i386
Kernel: Linux 2.6.34-1-686-bigmem

Debian Release: squeeze/sid
990 testing security.debian.org
990 testing ftp.ca.debian.org
500 unstable ftp.ca.debian.org
1 experimental ftp.ca.debian.org

--- Package information. ---
Depends (Version) | Installed
=-+-=
libc6 (>= 2.2) | 2.11.2-2
libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1) | 1:4.4.4-8
libstdc++6 (>= 4.4.0) | 4.4.4-8
dpkg (>= 1.15.4) | 1.15.7.2
OR install-info | 4.13a.dfsg.1-5


Package's Recommends field is empty.

Suggests (Version) | Installed
==-+-===
gksu |
OR kdebase-bin | 4:4.4.5-1
OR kdebase-runtime | 4:4.4.5-1
OR ktsuss |
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