Bug#608828: installation-guide: Users need direction to the functionality they expect
On 01/03/2011 02:31:51 PM, Christian PERRIER wrote: Squeeze is about to be released, in a few weeks at best (or worse). So, I don't really see by which magic this would happen (considering that any change now to the installation guide triggers a need for translation updates). I do not wish to advise you as to how to run your project but it occurs to me that, because this patch has nothing to do with the code of the installer or it's operation, that the web pages of the translations _could_ be updated, even after release, as the translations arrive. Nothing would be lost to those without a translation and something gained by the rest. (No need to reply to this message unless you feel like educating me as to your policies or process.) Regards, Karl k...@meme.com Free Software: You don't pay back, you pay forward. -- Robert A. Heinlein -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#608828: installation-guide: Users need direction to the functionality they expect
Package: installation-guide Severity: wishlist Hi, Many users expect that their system have software that's not in the stock Debian stable repos. Examples include newer versions of major desktop packages found in backports, various programs supporting different sorts of multi-media display, and so forth. Chapter 8, next steps, should either include the content of or point users toward a resource like http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware, which describes other software resources that are supported by the Debian community at large. This should help attract and retain users who think that Debian does not run the software they want. I am not proposing to ignore the Debian Social Contract in an effort to attract as many users as possible. I am proposing that Debian advertise it's capabilities to compete with other distros for users. Referring new users to community supported software resources would enhance the Debian experience and further this goal. (Ideally this change would be made before the squeeze release so as not to lose years of new users.) Regards, Karl O. Pinc -- System Information: Debian Release: 5.0.7 APT prefers stable APT policy: (500, 'stable') Architecture: i386 (i686) Kernel: Linux 2.6.26-2-686 (SMP w/2 CPU cores) Locale: LANG=en_US.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8) Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#608828: installation-guide: Users need direction to the functionality they expect
Quoting Karl O. Pinc (k...@meme.com): Many users expect that their system have software that's not in the stock Debian stable repos. Examples include newer versions of major desktop packages found in backports, various programs supporting different sorts of multi-media display, and so forth. Chapter 8, next steps, should either include the content of or point users toward a resource like http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware, which describes other software resources that are supported by the Debian community at large. This should help attract and retain users who think that Debian does not run the software they want. I am not proposing to ignore the Debian Social Contract in an effort to attract as many users as possible. I am proposing that Debian advertise it's capabilities to compete with other distros for users. Referring new users to community supported software resources would enhance the Debian experience and further this goal. (Ideally this change would be made before the squeeze release so as not to lose years of new users.) Squeeze is about to be released, in a few weeks at best (or worse). So, I don't really see by which magic this would happen (considering that any change now to the installation guide triggers a need for translation updates). I for one am all in favor of increasing the user accessibility to Debian, but I really can't see how what you suggest will be done...particularly if no patch is proposed..:-) So, indeed, thanks in advance for the upcoming patch you will propose. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#608828: installation-guide: Users need direction to the functionality they expect
On 01/03/2011 02:31:51 PM, Christian PERRIER wrote: Quoting Karl O. Pinc (k...@meme.com): Many users expect that their system have software that's not in the stock Debian stable repos. Chapter 8, next steps, should either include the content of or point users toward a resource like http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware, which describes other software resources that are supported by the Debian community at large. (Ideally this change would be made before the squeeze release so as not to lose years of new users.) Squeeze is about to be released, in a few weeks at best (or worse). So, I don't really see by which magic this would happen (considering that any change now to the installation guide triggers a need for translation updates). I for one am all in favor of increasing the user accessibility to Debian, but I really can't see how what you suggest will be done...particularly if no patch is proposed..:-) So, indeed, thanks in advance for the upcoming patch you will propose. My inclination is to add minimal text which contains a link to http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware. (Which has only an Italian translation at the moment.) Something like: Chapter 8. Next Steps and Where to Go From Here ... 8.3. Orienting Yourself to Debian ... 8.3.1. Debian Packaging System ... (all existing content) ---snip-- 8.3.1.1 Additional Software Available for Debian There are official and unofficial software repositories that are not enabled in the default Debian install. These contain software which many find important and expect to have. Information on these additional repositories can be found on the Debian Wiki page The Software Available for Debian's Stable Release (http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware). ---snip-- I would be happy to submit a source patch in appropriate markup if this sounds desirable. The advantage of referencing the wiki is that it keeps things short and allows for dynamic changes (such as the incorporation of backports into Debian proper, if that can be considered dynamic.) Of course there are also advantages to incorporating content directly into the install guide. If that is desired I'd be happy to attempt to re-tool the wiki page. Karl k...@meme.com Free Software: You don't pay back, you pay forward. -- Robert A. Heinlein -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#608828: installation-guide: Users need direction to the functionality they expect
On 01/03/2011 04:27:46 PM, Karl O. Pinc wrote: On 01/03/2011 02:31:51 PM, Christian PERRIER wrote: Quoting Karl O. Pinc (k...@meme.com): Many users expect that their system have software that's not in the stock Debian stable repos. So, indeed, thanks in advance for the upcoming patch you will propose. My inclination is to add minimal text which contains a link to http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware. (Which has only an Italian translation at the moment.) Something like: Chapter 8. Next Steps and Where to Go From Here ... 8.3. Orienting Yourself to Debian ... 8.3.1. Debian Packaging System ... (all existing content) ---snip-- 8.3.1.1 Additional Software Available for Debian Would it be better to keep it only 3 levels of section deep so that it shows up in the table of contents? (Make it 8.3.2?) Karl k...@meme.com Free Software: You don't pay back, you pay forward. -- Robert A. Heinlein -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#608828: installation-guide: Users need direction to the functionality they expect
On 01/03/2011 04:43:43 PM, Karl O. Pinc wrote: On 01/03/2011 04:27:46 PM, Karl O. Pinc wrote: On 01/03/2011 02:31:51 PM, Christian PERRIER wrote: Quoting Karl O. Pinc (k...@meme.com): Many users expect that their system have software that's not in the stock Debian stable repos. So, indeed, thanks in advance for the upcoming patch you will propose. My inclination is to add minimal text which contains a link to http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware. (Which has only an Italian translation at the moment.) Something like: Chapter 8. Next Steps and Where to Go From Here ... 8.3. Orienting Yourself to Debian ... 8.3.1. Debian Packaging System ... (all existing content) ---snip-- 8.3.1.1 Additional Software Available for Debian Would it be better to keep it only 3 levels of section deep so that it shows up in the table of contents? (Make it 8.3.2?) Attached is a patch (with a new section at level 3 (8.3.2)). cd trunk/manual/en/post-install; patch orientation.xml.repos.patch Please let me know if you think another approach would be better. Regards, Karl k...@meme.com Free Software: You don't pay back, you pay forward. -- Robert A. Heinlein Title: Additional Software Available for --- orientation.xml 2011-01-03 20:13:53.0 -0600 +++ orientation.xml.new 2011-01-03 20:25:41.0 -0600 @@ -67,6 +67,19 @@ + + + +There are official and unofficial software repositories that are not +enabled in the default install. These contain software which +many find important and expect to have. Information on these +additional repositories can be found on the Wiki page titled +The Software +Available for 's Stable Release. + + + + Application Version Management
