Bug#615646: [installation-guide] How do I know which CD has the package I need?

[Holger Wansing]

Control: tags -1 + pending

Holger Wansing  wrote:
> diff --git a/en/install-methods/official-cdrom.xml 
> b/en/install-methods/official-cdrom.xml
> index 512011690..858b018fa 100644
> --- a/en/install-methods/official-cdrom.xml
> +++ b/en/install-methods/official-cdrom.xml
> @@ -30,6 +30,14 @@ the installation to download the remaining files or 
> additional CDs.
>  
>  
>  
> +Also, keep in mind: if the CDs/DVDs you are using don't contain some packages
> +you need, you can always install that packages afterwards from your running
> +new Debian system (after the installation has finished). If you need to know,
> +on which CD/DVD to find a specific package, visit
> + url="https://cdimage-search.debian.org/;>https://cdimage-search.debian.org/.
> +
> +
> +
>  If your machine doesn't support CD booting (only relevant
>  on very old PC systems), but you do have a CD set,
>  you can use an alternative strategy such as

I have committed this, with Wouter's and Brian's additional fixes.

Tagging this bug as pending.



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Bug#615646: [installation-guide] How do I know which CD has the package I need?

[Holger Wansing]

Hi,

Wouter Verhelst  wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 02:41:44PM -0400, Nicholas D Steeves wrote:
> > On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 11:59:34AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> > > On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 07:50:18AM +0200, Holger Wansing wrote:
> > > > +Also, keep in mind: if the CDs/DVDs you are using don't contain some 
> > > > packages
> > > > +you need, you can always install that packages afterwards from your 
> > > > running
> > > > +new Debian system (after the installation has finished). If you need 
> > > > to know,
> > > 
> > > Drop the comma (you do need it in German, but English doesn't need it)
> > 
> > If the subordinate clause precedes the main clause, then the comma is
> > mandatory.  Likewise, even if "then" is implied, the comma is
> > mandatory.  That said, a comma separating the subordinate and main
> > clause is not mandatory if the subordinate clause follows the main
> > clause.   /\
> > no comma
> > If you need to know, on which CD/DVD to find a specific package,
> > visit...  /\   /\
> >   no comma, because/
> >   "on which...package"  mandatory comma  =/
> >   is a propositionalfor the "if...package"
> >   phrasesubordinate clause
> > 
> > Are prepositional phrases enclosed by commas in German grammar?
> 
> I don't know all the grammatical jargon :-) and my German is old and
> rusty, but yes, when translated to German the phrase above would need a
> comma after "know". I didn't mean to say it wouldn't need one after
> "package"; it does there, which is why I didn't quote that part of the
> message.
> 
> In general, German requires a lot more commas than other languages do. I
> guess they're more relaxed and can take breaks more often ;-)

Me too, I cannot recall the exact grammatical rules, but in German we
need the comma at both places.


Holger




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Bug#615646: [installation-guide] How do I know which CD has the package I need?

[Wouter Verhelst]

On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 02:41:44PM -0400, Nicholas D Steeves wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 11:59:34AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> > On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 07:50:18AM +0200, Holger Wansing wrote:
> > > +Also, keep in mind: if the CDs/DVDs you are using don't contain some 
> > > packages
> > > +you need, you can always install that packages afterwards from your 
> > > running
> > > +new Debian system (after the installation has finished). If you need to 
> > > know,
> > 
> > Drop the comma (you do need it in German, but English doesn't need it)
> 
> If the subordinate clause precedes the main clause, then the comma is
> mandatory.  Likewise, even if "then" is implied, the comma is
> mandatory.  That said, a comma separating the subordinate and main
> clause is not mandatory if the subordinate clause follows the main
> clause.   /\
> no comma
> If you need to know, on which CD/DVD to find a specific package,
> visit...  /\   /\
>   no comma, because/
>   "on which...package"  mandatory comma  =/
>   is a propositionalfor the "if...package"
>   phrasesubordinate clause
> 
> Are prepositional phrases enclosed by commas in German grammar?

I don't know all the grammatical jargon :-) and my German is old and
rusty, but yes, when translated to German the phrase above would need a
comma after "know". I didn't mean to say it wouldn't need one after
"package"; it does there, which is why I didn't quote that part of the
message.

In general, German requires a lot more commas than other languages do. I
guess they're more relaxed and can take breaks more often ;-)

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Bug#615646: [installation-guide] How do I know which CD has the package I need?

[Rick Thomas]

On Jul 28, 2018, at 10:50 PM, Holger Wansing  wrote:

> +Also, keep in mind: if the CDs/DVDs you are using don't contain some packages
> +you need, you can always install that packages afterwards from your running
> +new Debian system (after the installation has finished). If you need to know,
> +on which CD/DVD to find a specific package, visit
> + url="https://cdimage-search.debian.org/;>https://cdimage-search.debian.org/.

Thanks, Holger,

That addresses my concern very well.

Rick

Bug#615646: [installation-guide] How do I know which CD has the package I need?

[Nicholas D Steeves]

On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 11:59:34AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 07:50:18AM +0200, Holger Wansing wrote:
> > +Also, keep in mind: if the CDs/DVDs you are using don't contain some 
> > packages
> > +you need, you can always install that packages afterwards from your running
> > +new Debian system (after the installation has finished). If you need to 
> > know,
> 
> Drop the comma (you do need it in German, but English doesn't need it)

If the subordinate clause precedes the main clause, then the comma is
mandatory.  Likewise, even if "then" is implied, the comma is
mandatory.  That said, a comma separating the subordinate and main
clause is not mandatory if the subordinate clause follows the main
clause.   /\
no comma
If you need to know, on which CD/DVD to find a specific package,
visit...  /\   /\
  no comma, because/
  "on which...package"  mandatory comma  =/
  is a propositionalfor the "if...package"
  phrasesubordinate clause

Are prepositional phrases enclosed by commas in German grammar?

Cheers,
Nicholas


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Bug#615646: [installation-guide] How do I know which CD has the package I need?

[Holger Wansing]

Hi,

Am Sonntag, 29. Juli 2018 schrieb Brian Potkin:
> On Sun 29 Jul 2018 at 10:05:51 +, Holger Wansing wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > Am Sonntag, 29. Juli 2018 schrieb Wouter Verhelst:
> > > On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 07:50:18AM +0200, Holger Wansing wrote:
> > > > +Also, keep in mind: if the CDs/DVDs you are using don't contain some 
> > > > packages
> > > > +you need, you can always install that packages afterwards from your 
> > > > running
> > > > +new Debian system (after the installation has finished). If you need 
> > > > to know,
> > > 
> > > Drop the comma (you do need it in German, but English doesn't need it)
> > 
> > Ok. Thanks
> 
> For "packages" (plural): that packages ---> those packages.

Ok, also thanks for this.

Holger

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Bug#615646: [installation-guide] How do I know which CD has the package I need?

[Brian Potkin]

On Sun 29 Jul 2018 at 10:05:51 +, Holger Wansing wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Am Sonntag, 29. Juli 2018 schrieb Wouter Verhelst:
> > On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 07:50:18AM +0200, Holger Wansing wrote:
> > > +Also, keep in mind: if the CDs/DVDs you are using don't contain some 
> > > packages
> > > +you need, you can always install that packages afterwards from your 
> > > running
> > > +new Debian system (after the installation has finished). If you need to 
> > > know,
> > 
> > Drop the comma (you do need it in German, but English doesn't need it)
> 
> Ok. Thanks

For "packages" (plural): that packages ---> those packages.

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Bug#615646: [installation-guide] How do I know which CD has the package I need?

[Wouter Verhelst]

On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 07:50:18AM +0200, Holger Wansing wrote:
> +Also, keep in mind: if the CDs/DVDs you are using don't contain some packages
> +you need, you can always install that packages afterwards from your running
> +new Debian system (after the installation has finished). If you need to know,

Drop the comma (you do need it in German, but English doesn't need it)

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Bug#615646: [installation-guide] How do I know which CD has the package I need?

[Holger Wansing]

Hi,

Am Sonntag, 29. Juli 2018 schrieb Wouter Verhelst:
> On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 07:50:18AM +0200, Holger Wansing wrote:
> > +Also, keep in mind: if the CDs/DVDs you are using don't contain some 
> > packages
> > +you need, you can always install that packages afterwards from your running
> > +new Debian system (after the installation has finished). If you need to 
> > know,
> 
> Drop the comma (you do need it in German, but English doesn't need it)

Ok. Thanks

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Bug#615646: [installation-guide] How do I know which CD has the package I need?

[Holger Wansing]

Hi,

Rick Thomas  wrote:
> 
> On Jul 28, 2018, at 10:44 AM, Holger Wansing  wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Robert Cymbala  wrote:
> >> QUESTION:  
> >>   I burned the first fifteen (15) CD's and GNU/Emacs, which I want to 
> >> install, 
> >>   is not on them.  How do I find out which CDs I need to burn? (There are 
> >> 37 
> >>   more in cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/i386/iso-cd/ and I used to 
> >> burn 
> >>   all the CDs for a release but am too lazy to burn all 52 discs this 
> >> time, 
> >>   I only burnt the first 15.)
> > 
> > Time has changed, we don't provide that big sets of CD images anymore. 
> > So the above question is no longer that important.
> > 
> > However, I would like to add something like the following to chapter 4.1
> > (https://d-i.debian.org/manual/en.amd64/ch04s01.html):
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > diff --git a/en/install-methods/official-cdrom.xml 
> > b/en/install-methods/official-cdrom.xml
> > index 512011690..f1f12554d 100644
> > --- a/en/install-methods/official-cdrom.xml
> > +++ b/en/install-methods/official-cdrom.xml
> > @@ -30,6 +30,12 @@ the installation to download the remaining files or 
> > additional CDs.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > +Also, keep in mind: if the CD(s) you are using doesn't contain some 
> > packages
> > +you need, you can always install that packages afterwards from your running
> > +new Debian system (after the installation has finished).
> > +
> > +
> > +
> > If your machine doesn't support CD booting (only relevant
> > on very old PC systems), but you do have a CD set,
> > you can use an alternative strategy such as
> 
> For some people, getting packages via the Internet after installation is not 
> an 
> option.  For example, air-gapped high-security environments, or folks with 
> very
> slow Internet connections (does anyone remember 9600 baud modems?).
> 
> Can we acknowledge such situations in the proposed changes?  For them, at 
> least,
> the question in the subject line is still relevant (perhaps with “CD” changed
> to “DVD”, giving a nod to changing times).

Ok, I missed that fact. ACK'ed.
So I have added a phrase for the  search
(proposed by Ben in 2015 and this morning by Steve) to the patch:




diff --git a/en/install-methods/official-cdrom.xml 
b/en/install-methods/official-cdrom.xml
index 512011690..858b018fa 100644
--- a/en/install-methods/official-cdrom.xml
+++ b/en/install-methods/official-cdrom.xml
@@ -30,6 +30,14 @@ the installation to download the remaining files or 
additional CDs.
 
 
 
+Also, keep in mind: if the CDs/DVDs you are using don't contain some packages
+you need, you can always install that packages afterwards from your running
+new Debian system (after the installation has finished). If you need to know,
+on which CD/DVD to find a specific package, visit
+https://cdimage-search.debian.org/;>https://cdimage-search.debian.org/.
+
+
+
 If your machine doesn't support CD booting (only relevant
 on very old PC systems), but you do have a CD set,
 you can use an alternative strategy such as


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Bug#615646: [installation-guide] How do I know which CD has the package I need?

[Steve McIntyre]

On Sat, Jul 28, 2018 at 07:44:26PM +0200, Holger Wansing wrote:
>
>Robert Cymbala  wrote:
>> QUESTION:  
>>I burned the first fifteen (15) CD's and GNU/Emacs, which I want to 
>> install, 
>>is not on them.  How do I find out which CDs I need to burn? (There are 
>> 37 
>>more in cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/i386/iso-cd/ and I used to 
>> burn 
>>all the CDs for a release but am too lazy to burn all 52 discs this time, 
>>I only burnt the first 15.)
>
>Time has changed, we don't provide that big sets of CD images anymore. 
>So the above question is no longer that important.

Oh, wow. I've managed to miss that bug. There has been a service to
help with this for ages:

https://cdimage-search.debian.org/

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Bug#615646: [installation-guide] How do I know which CD has the package I need?

[Rick Thomas]

On Jul 28, 2018, at 10:44 AM, Holger Wansing  wrote:

> 
> Robert Cymbala  wrote:
>> QUESTION:  
>>   I burned the first fifteen (15) CD's and GNU/Emacs, which I want to 
>> install, 
>>   is not on them.  How do I find out which CDs I need to burn? (There are 37 
>>   more in cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/i386/iso-cd/ and I used to burn 
>>   all the CDs for a release but am too lazy to burn all 52 discs this time, 
>>   I only burnt the first 15.)
> 
> Time has changed, we don't provide that big sets of CD images anymore. 
> So the above question is no longer that important.
> 
> However, I would like to add something like the following to chapter 4.1
> (https://d-i.debian.org/manual/en.amd64/ch04s01.html):
> 
> 
> 
> diff --git a/en/install-methods/official-cdrom.xml 
> b/en/install-methods/official-cdrom.xml
> index 512011690..f1f12554d 100644
> --- a/en/install-methods/official-cdrom.xml
> +++ b/en/install-methods/official-cdrom.xml
> @@ -30,6 +30,12 @@ the installation to download the remaining files or 
> additional CDs.
> 
> 
> 
> +Also, keep in mind: if the CD(s) you are using doesn't contain some packages
> +you need, you can always install that packages afterwards from your running
> +new Debian system (after the installation has finished).
> +
> +
> +
> If your machine doesn't support CD booting (only relevant
> on very old PC systems), but you do have a CD set,
> you can use an alternative strategy such as

For some people, getting packages via the Internet after installation is not an 
option.  For example, air-gapped high-security environments, or folks with very 
slow Internet connections (does anyone remember 9600 baud modems?).

Can we acknowledge such situations in the proposed changes?  For them, at 
least, the question in the subject line is still relevant (perhaps with “CD” 
changed to “DVD”, giving a nod to changing times).

Enjoy!
Rick

Bug#615646: [installation-guide] How do I know which CD has the package I need?

[Brian Potkin]

On Sat 28 Jul 2018 at 19:44:26 +0200, Holger Wansing wrote:

> 
> Robert Cymbala  wrote:
> > QUESTION:  
> >I burned the first fifteen (15) CD's and GNU/Emacs, which I want to 
> > install, 
> >is not on them.  How do I find out which CDs I need to burn? (There are 
> > 37 
> >more in cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/i386/iso-cd/ and I used to 
> > burn 
> >all the CDs for a release but am too lazy to burn all 52 discs this 
> > time, 
> >I only burnt the first 15.)
> 
> Time has changed, we don't provide that big sets of CD images anymore. 
> So the above question is no longer that important.
> 
> However, I would like to add something like the following to chapter 4.1
> (https://d-i.debian.org/manual/en.amd64/ch04s01.html):
> 
> diff --git a/en/install-methods/official-cdrom.xml 
> b/en/install-methods/official-cdrom.xml
> index 512011690..f1f12554d 100644
> --- a/en/install-methods/official-cdrom.xml
> +++ b/en/install-methods/official-cdrom.xml
> @@ -30,6 +30,12 @@ the installation to download the remaining files or 
> additional CDs.
>  
>  
>  
> +Also, keep in mind: if the CD(s) you are using doesn't contain some packages
> +you need, you can always install that packages afterwards from your running
> +new Debian system (after the installation has finished).
> +
> +
> +
>  If your machine doesn't support CD booting (only relevant
>  on very old PC systems), but you do have a CD set,
>  you can use an alternative strategy such as

English (partly), I'm afraid:

CD(s) ---> DVD/CDs (brackets not needed)

doesn't ---> don't

that packages ---> a package

(after the installation has finished) is probably superfluous.

Keep up the good work.

Brian.

Bug#615646: [installation-guide] How do I know which CD has the package I need?

[Holger Wansing]

Robert Cymbala  wrote:
> QUESTION:  
>I burned the first fifteen (15) CD's and GNU/Emacs, which I want to 
> install, 
>is not on them.  How do I find out which CDs I need to burn? (There are 37 
>more in cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/i386/iso-cd/ and I used to burn 
>all the CDs for a release but am too lazy to burn all 52 discs this time, 
>I only burnt the first 15.)

Time has changed, we don't provide that big sets of CD images anymore. 
So the above question is no longer that important.

However, I would like to add something like the following to chapter 4.1
(https://d-i.debian.org/manual/en.amd64/ch04s01.html):



diff --git a/en/install-methods/official-cdrom.xml 
b/en/install-methods/official-cdrom.xml
index 512011690..f1f12554d 100644
--- a/en/install-methods/official-cdrom.xml
+++ b/en/install-methods/official-cdrom.xml
@@ -30,6 +30,12 @@ the installation to download the remaining files or 
additional CDs.
 
 
 
+Also, keep in mind: if the CD(s) you are using doesn't contain some packages
+you need, you can always install that packages afterwards from your running
+new Debian system (after the installation has finished).
+
+
+
 If your machine doesn't support CD booting (only relevant
 on very old PC systems), but you do have a CD set,
 you can use an alternative strategy such as




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