Bug#678705: RFS: e2defrag/0.80 ITP: #678598

2012-06-25 Thread Dmitrijs Ledkovs
On 25/06/12 02:14, Phillip Susi wrote:
 Generally, Debian packages stable releases of software. At the current
 state is this package ready for unstable or better suited for
 experimental? Has it seen wider testing / user base? (e.g. did you post
 an announce to ext-dev mailing lists? LWN.net? similar sites).

 This is a bit of chicken and egg problem: no package no user base, no
 user base no package.

 I believe that inclusion of this package in Debian will increase testing.

 Do you believe this should be uploaded into experimental or unstable?
 
 Exactly.  I was planning on announcing it once it's in the archive to call 
 for testing and feedback.  The usage of experimental is still unclear to me.  
 If it is in unstable then it will be synced to Ubuntu quantal as well, though 
 I suppose Ubuntu users can get it from my ppa if it is holding in 
 experimental for now.
 

Your decision whether you upload into Debian experimental or unstable
should not be affected by other derivative distribution policies. You
can request syncing packages from experimental into Ubuntu, but the
package will still land in Ubuntu's new queue and require verification.
You can always provide backports/ppa/etc regardless of the package
status in the archive.

Given above, unstable or experimental?

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Bug#678705: RFS: e2defrag/0.80 ITP: #678598

2012-06-25 Thread Phillip Susi

On 6/25/2012 4:25 AM, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote:

Your decision whether you upload into Debian experimental or unstable
should not be affected by other derivative distribution policies. You
can request syncing packages from experimental into Ubuntu, but the
package will still land in Ubuntu's new queue and require verification.
You can always provide backports/ppa/etc regardless of the package
status in the archive.

Given above, unstable or experimental?


I'm still not sure why one would want to use experimental instead of 
unstable.  It seems like it's just one more hoop people have to jump 
through ( adding one more entry to sources.list ) to use the package. 
I'm not necessarily opposed to it, I just don't see the benefit.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't experimental for testing a one off 
hack you want a few specific people to try, but you know it would cause 
breakage for other users and so would not be appropriate for unstable?


If that's the case, then I'd say unstable is the place to go.




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Bug#678705: RFS: e2defrag/0.80 ITP: #678598

2012-06-25 Thread Dmitrijs Ledkovs
On 25/06/12 14:34, Phillip Susi wrote:
 On 6/25/2012 4:25 AM, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote:
 Your decision whether you upload into Debian experimental or unstable
 should not be affected by other derivative distribution policies. You
 can request syncing packages from experimental into Ubuntu, but the
 package will still land in Ubuntu's new queue and require verification.
 You can always provide backports/ppa/etc regardless of the package
 status in the archive.

 Given above, unstable or experimental?
 
 I'm still not sure why one would want to use experimental instead of
 unstable.  It seems like it's just one more hoop people have to jump
 through ( adding one more entry to sources.list ) to use the package.
 I'm not necessarily opposed to it, I just don't see the benefit.
 
 Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't experimental for testing a one off
 hack you want a few specific people to try, but you know it would cause
 breakage for other users and so would not be appropriate for unstable?
 
 If that's the case, then I'd say unstable is the place to go.
 

Depends. Generally Experimental is what you make of it.

http://wiki.debian.org/DebianExperimental

Many new upstream releases of large packages are cured in experimental
first, because it introduces packages to the archive and allows using
bts to file and track bugs.

Many large libraries and softwares are packaged in experimental first,
e.g.: gnome, kde stacks, gcc toolchain, minor libraries SONAME bumps. To
ease testing against other packages (e.g. ftbfs in experimental with
libfoo+1) and ease testing the package by experienced developers and users.

Uploading to experimental, means that a package will not be a candidate
for automatic transition into a stable release. This can also be
achieved by opening a sticky RC bug. Don't close, until maintainer is
happy for the package to transition.

When the archive is frozen, experimental is used to package all new
software, to allow unstable-testing uploads  transitions without going
through testing-proposed-updates.

To sum up, experimental is a tool for a maintainer to govern the
per-package release cycle on top of debian.

I can see how you want it in unstable, and I am fine to sponsor it there.

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Bug#678705: RFS: e2defrag/0.80 ITP: #678598

2012-06-24 Thread Roger Leigh
On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 05:03:39PM -0400, Phillip Susi wrote:
 I am looking for a sponsor for my package e2defrag.  This package used to
 be known as defrag, and was removed from the archive back in 2008 due to
 being abandoned by its authors and rotting for many years.  I have taken over
 maintainership of it and would like to get it back into the archive.

Have you taken over upstream maintainership as well?

This was always a tool which needed to be used with great caution,
and was removed for good reason.  Is this safe to use with all
ext2, ext3 and ext4 filesystems?


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Bug#678705: RFS: e2defrag/0.80 ITP: #678598

2012-06-24 Thread Phillip Susi
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On 06/24/2012 12:00 PM, Roger Leigh wrote:
 Have you taken over upstream maintainership as well?

Yes.

 This was always a tool which needed to be used with great caution,
 and was removed for good reason.  Is this safe to use with all
 ext2, ext3 and ext4 filesystems?

Obviously there may be bugs, and a crash in mid defrag likely will leave you 
with a hopelessly corrupted fs, but yes, it is working with all modern ext4 
features.  I'm kicking around an idea to log enough information to allow for 
recovery after a crash, but this would significantly slow down the process.

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Bug#678705: RFS: e2defrag/0.80 ITP: #678598

2012-06-24 Thread Eugene Paskevich

On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 00:13:15 +0300, Phillip Susi ps...@ubuntu.com wrote:

Could you provide more details?  Also an e2image of the fs ( preferably  
before defrag ) would be helpful in debugging.


I wasn't very cautious to preserve any data before or after the defrag,
even more I've killed the file system already.
Sorry, I won't be useful in debugging.

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Bug#678705: RFS: e2defrag/0.80 ITP: #678598

2012-06-24 Thread Eugene Paskevich
On Sun, 24 Jun 2012 19:00:10 +0300, Roger Leigh rle...@codelibre.net  
wrote:



This was always a tool which needed to be used with great caution,
and was removed for good reason.  Is this safe to use with all
ext2, ext3 and ext4 filesystems?


Just my 2 cents...
Tried to use it on my non-critical ext3 FS. The FS structure was corrupted,
fsck recovered some data (about 1%) into lost+found, 80% of data is lost  
w/o any trace.
Well, it's up to mentors to decide, but I'd refrain from uploading this  
package.


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Bug#678705: RFS: e2defrag/0.80 ITP: #678598

2012-06-24 Thread Phillip Susi
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On 06/24/2012 05:25 PM, Eugene Paskevich wrote:
 I wasn't very cautious to preserve any data before or after the defrag,
 even more I've killed the file system already.
 Sorry, I won't be useful in debugging.

How about at least an overview of the complaints that e2fsck had?  And I assume 
that e2defrag finished without error?

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Bug#678705: RFS: e2defrag/0.80 ITP: #678598

2012-06-24 Thread Phillip Susi
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On 06/24/2012 04:36 PM, Eugene Paskevich wrote:
 Just my 2 cents...
 Tried to use it on my non-critical ext3 FS. The FS structure was corrupted,
 fsck recovered some data (about 1%) into lost+found, 80% of data is lost w/o 
 any trace.
 Well, it's up to mentors to decide, but I'd refrain from uploading this 
 package.

Could you provide more details?  Also an e2image of the fs ( preferably before 
defrag ) would be helpful in debugging.

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Bug#678705: RFS: e2defrag/0.80 ITP: #678598

2012-06-24 Thread Eugene Paskevich

On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 00:48:37 +0300, Phillip Susi ps...@ubuntu.com wrote:


How about at least an overview of the complaints that e2fsck had?  And I


It's output went off the scroll buffer, sorry. But it was quite a long  
list.



assume that e2defrag finished without error?


Yes, at least I saw nothing in the console when came back to it.

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Bug#678705: RFS: e2defrag/0.80 ITP: #678598

2012-06-24 Thread Nicholas Breen
On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 02:31:23PM -0400, Phillip Susi wrote:
 On 06/24/2012 12:00 PM, Roger Leigh wrote:
  This was always a tool which needed to be used with great caution,
  and was removed for good reason.  Is this safe to use with all
  ext2, ext3 and ext4 filesystems?
 
 Obviously there may be bugs, and a crash in mid defrag likely will leave you 
 with a hopelessly corrupted fs, but yes, it is working with all modern ext4 
 features.  I'm kicking around an idea to log enough information to allow for 
 recovery after a crash, but this would significantly slow down the process.

There is already an ext4-specific (depends on creation with -O extent) e4defrag
tool in e2fsprogs since 1.42~WIP-2011-07-02-1.  Is there a reason you would use
one tool over the other?





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Bug#678705: RFS: e2defrag/0.80 ITP: #678598

2012-06-24 Thread Dmitrijs Ledkovs
Dear Phillip,

Thank you for replying to all the comments and resolving issues quickly.
I haven't checked them yet, but I am sure they are fine now.

See further comments:

On 24/06/12 03:50, Phillip Susi wrote:
 
 Bugs there were closed due to removing the package from the archive
 should be still addressed. As bugs was the reason to remove the package
 from the archive in particular:

 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=396449
 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=401622
 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=324555
 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=389231
 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=169584
 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=235498

 If these are fixed, mention (Closes: #ZZZYYY) in the debian/changelog.
 
 They are already all closed and archived.
 

Let me rephrase.

Is upstream aware of the above bugs which affected the last version of
defrag in debian, which were not fixed in the upstream code?

(the bugs were closed and archived, simply because the package was
removed from debian, not because they were fixed upstream)

If upstream is aware of the above bugs, have they been fixed or tracked
in the upstream bug tracker/TODO items/etc?

(I see now that you have clarified that the ext3/4 support was added,
but it was not obvious to me simply by reading the debian/changelog)

== Readiness ==

Generally, Debian packages stable releases of software. At the current
state is this package ready for unstable or better suited for
experimental? Has it seen wider testing / user base? (e.g. did you post
an announce to ext-dev mailing lists? LWN.net? similar sites).

This is a bit of chicken and egg problem: no package no user base, no
user base no package.

I believe that inclusion of this package in Debian will increase testing.

Do you believe this should be uploaded into experimental or unstable?

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Bug#678705: RFS: e2defrag/0.80 ITP: #678598

2012-06-24 Thread Dmitrijs Ledkovs
On 24/06/12 23:58, Nicholas Breen wrote:
 On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 02:31:23PM -0400, Phillip Susi wrote:
 On 06/24/2012 12:00 PM, Roger Leigh wrote:
 This was always a tool which needed to be used with great caution,
 and was removed for good reason.  Is this safe to use with all
 ext2, ext3 and ext4 filesystems?

 Obviously there may be bugs, and a crash in mid defrag likely will leave you 
 with a hopelessly corrupted fs, but yes, it is working with all modern ext4 
 features.  I'm kicking around an idea to log enough information to allow for 
 recovery after a crash, but this would significantly slow down the process.
 
 There is already an ext4-specific (depends on creation with -O extent) 
 e4defrag
 tool in e2fsprogs since 1.42~WIP-2011-07-02-1.  Is there a reason you would 
 use
 one tool over the other?
 

The obvious, you would use e2defrag for ext2, ext3  ext4 without extents.

But the question which one to prefer for ext4 with extents still stands.

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Bug#678705: RFS: e2defrag/0.80 ITP: #678598

2012-06-24 Thread Phillip Susi
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On 06/24/2012 07:40 PM, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote:
 Let me rephrase.
 
 Is upstream aware of the above bugs which affected the last version of
 defrag in debian, which were not fixed in the upstream code?

They appear to fall into 3 categories: ftbs, upstream has abandoned, and 
doesn't work on ext3/4.  I have fixed the third, and obviously the first two no 
longer hold.

 Generally, Debian packages stable releases of software. At the current
 state is this package ready for unstable or better suited for
 experimental? Has it seen wider testing / user base? (e.g. did you post
 an announce to ext-dev mailing lists? LWN.net? similar sites).
 
 This is a bit of chicken and egg problem: no package no user base, no
 user base no package.
 
 I believe that inclusion of this package in Debian will increase testing.
 
 Do you believe this should be uploaded into experimental or unstable?

Exactly.  I was planning on announcing it once it's in the archive to call for 
testing and feedback.  The usage of experimental is still unclear to me.  If it 
is in unstable then it will be synced to Ubuntu quantal as well, though I 
suppose Ubuntu users can get it from my ppa if it is holding in experimental 
for now.

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Bug#678705: RFS: e2defrag/0.80 ITP: #678598

2012-06-24 Thread Phillip Susi
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On 06/24/2012 07:41 PM, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote:
 There is already an ext4-specific (depends on creation with -O extent) 
 e4defrag
 tool in e2fsprogs since 1.42~WIP-2011-07-02-1.  Is there a reason you would 
 use
 one tool over the other?

 
 The obvious, you would use e2defrag for ext2, ext3  ext4 without extents.
 
 But the question which one to prefer for ext4 with extents still stands.

I have yet to try e4defrag, but my understanding is that it essentially works 
like most of the other available defrag programs such as shake: it finds 
fragmented files, and copies them, hoping that when the copy is written, the 
kernel allocator will manage to make the new copy contiguous.  It therefore 
does nothing for free space fragmentation or keeping similar files in a similar 
location on disk.  e2defrag also has a feature where you can specify particular 
inodes be given priority over others.  This allows you to take files that are 
needed during boot, and pack them all together at the start of the disk so they 
can be read rapidly by ureadahead, which gives significant boot time 
improvement.

Due to the ability to perform online defrag, and safety in the face of a crash, 
I imagine that many users will prefer e4defrag.  I hope that having e2defrag 
still alive and working will provide a good comparison and spur on improvement 
in e4defrag.

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Bug#678705: RFS: e2defrag/0.80 ITP: #678598

2012-06-23 Thread Phillip Susi
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Package: sponsorship-requests
Severity: wishlist

Dear mentors,

I am looking for a sponsor for my package e2defrag.  This package used to be 
known as defrag,
and was removed from the archive back in 2008 due to being abandoned by its 
authors and rotting
for many years.  I have taken over maintainership of it and would like to get 
it back into
the archive.

 * Package name: e2defrag
   Version : 0.80
   Upstream Author : Phillip Susi ps...@ubuntu.com
 * URL : http://launchpad.net/e2defrag
 * License : GPL
   Section : admin

It builds those binary packages:

  e2defrag   - ext[234] filesystem defragmenter

To access further information about this package, please visit the following 
URL:

http://mentors.debian.net/package/e2defrag


Alternatively, one can download the package with dget using this command:

  dget -x 
http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/e/e2defrag/e2defrag_0.80.dsc

  Regards,
   Phillip Susi

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Bug#678705: RFS: e2defrag/0.80 ITP: #678598

2012-06-23 Thread Dmitrijs Ledkovs
Hello Phillip,

Thanks for picking up this package.

Here are some comments

== ITP ==

The ITP was not sent to the debian-devel mailing list. Please use
report-bug in the future or add pseudo-header:
X-Debbugs-CC: debian-de...@lists.debian.org

Please forward your ITP to debian-devel.

== bugs ==

Bugs there were closed due to removing the package from the archive
should be still addressed. As bugs was the reason to remove the package
from the archive in particular:

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=396449
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=401622
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=324555
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=389231
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=169584
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=235498

If these are fixed, mention (Closes: #ZZZYYY) in the debian/changelog.

== debian packaging ==

Fix the following notices from lintian:

 P: e2defrag source: unversioned-copyright-format-uri 
 http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep5
 W: e2defrag source: out-of-date-standards-version 3.9.2 (current is 3.9.3)
 W: e2defrag: script-with-language-extension usr/sbin/dump2inodes.py
 I: e2defrag: hyphen-used-as-minus-sign usr/share/man/man8/e2defrag.8.gz:123
 I: e2defrag: hyphen-used-as-minus-sign usr/share/man/man8/e2defrag.8.gz:129
 I: e2defrag: spelling-error-in-manpage usr/share/man/man8/e2defrag.8.gz 
 ommitted omitted
 I: e2defrag: hyphen-used-as-minus-sign usr/share/man/man8/frag.8.gz:69
 W: e2defrag: binary-without-manpage usr/sbin/dump2inodes.py
 E: e2defrag: python-script-but-no-python-dep usr/sbin/dump2inodes.py

You can get more information about them by running lintian with:
lintian -i -I --pedantic -E -v *.changes

If you manage packaging in a VCS, please add Vcs-* headers.

== source format ==

Usually upstream makes tarball releases, which then can be packaged.
Please do, and use 3.0 (quilt) source format.

Bzr-builddeb has support for split mode:
http://jameswestby.net/bzr/builddeb/user_manual/split.html

Or you can use:
bzr export -rtag:0.80 --per-file-timestamps e2defrag-0.80.tar.gz

To create a tarball which will always have the same checksum.

I would like you to consider stop using native package version and
instead make 0.80 release and package it as 0.80-1.


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Dmitrijs.



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Bug#678705: RFS: e2defrag/0.80 ITP: #678598

2012-06-23 Thread Phillip Susi
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On 06/23/2012 07:27 PM, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote:
 The ITP was not sent to the debian-devel mailing list. Please use
 report-bug in the future or add pseudo-header:
 X-Debbugs-CC: debian-de...@lists.debian.org
 
 Please forward your ITP to debian-devel.

reportbug was unable to connect to the debian smtp server, so I had to send it 
manually.  I will resend to debian-devel now.

 Bugs there were closed due to removing the package from the archive
 should be still addressed. As bugs was the reason to remove the package
 from the archive in particular:
 
 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=396449
 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=401622
 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=324555
 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=389231
 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=169584
 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=235498
 
 If these are fixed, mention (Closes: #ZZZYYY) in the debian/changelog.

They are already all closed and archived.

 Fix the following notices from lintian:
 
 P: e2defrag source: unversioned-copyright-format-uri 
 http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep5
 W: e2defrag source: out-of-date-standards-version 3.9.2 (current is 3.9.3)
 W: e2defrag: script-with-language-extension usr/sbin/dump2inodes.py

Fixed.

 I: e2defrag: hyphen-used-as-minus-sign usr/share/man/man8/e2defrag.8.gz:123
 I: e2defrag: hyphen-used-as-minus-sign usr/share/man/man8/e2defrag.8.gz:129

These actually are minus signs; the warnings are wrong.  I also don't get these 
when building locally.

 I: e2defrag: spelling-error-in-manpage usr/share/man/man8/e2defrag.8.gz 
 ommitted omitted

Fixed.

 I: e2defrag: hyphen-used-as-minus-sign usr/share/man/man8/frag.8.gz:69
 W: e2defrag: binary-without-manpage usr/sbin/dump2inodes.py

Oops, I added a man page for that last night, but seems I forgot to add it to 
the list in the makefile to install.  Fixed.

 E: e2defrag: python-script-but-no-python-dep usr/sbin/dump2inodes.py

This script is kind of an add on hack for integration with ureadahead, so 
python isn't actually required for the core functionality.

 If you manage packaging in a VCS, please add Vcs-* headers.

Fixed.

 == source format ==
 
 Usually upstream makes tarball releases, which then can be packaged.
 Please do, and use 3.0 (quilt) source format.

Fixed.

 Bzr-builddeb has support for split mode:
 http://jameswestby.net/bzr/builddeb/user_manual/split.html
 
 Or you can use:
 bzr export -rtag:0.80 --per-file-timestamps e2defrag-0.80.tar.gz
 
 To create a tarball which will always have the same checksum.
 
 I would like you to consider stop using native package version and
 instead make 0.80 release and package it as 0.80-1.
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