Bug#683247: Bug#683030: unblock: vlc/2.0.3-1
tags 683247 -moreinfo retitle 683247 unblock libav_6:0.8.3-6 stop On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 2:17 PM, Adam D. Barratt a...@adam-barratt.org.uk wrote: On 30.07.2012 08:08, Reinhard Tartler wrote: I intend to work on a new upload that incorporates your suggestions for clarifying the debian/changelog file this week. If you don't mind, I'd leave the doxygen and the Provides: ffmpeg changes as-is. Additionally, I intend to change ffmpeg-dbg from Arch: any to arch: all for consistency with libav-extra-dbg (both are empty, transitional packages). That sounds fine to me; thanks. Please let us know (and retitle the libav unblock bug appropriately) once that's been done. I'm doing so with this email. Please consider adjusting the time that is required for migration. Please also note that in additional to the above, I've also included a fix for bug #679542, which prevents the migration of the vlc package. AFAIUI, if vlc would be rebuild against this new version of libav (e.g., by scheduling binNMUs), Britney should let vlc migrate independently of libav. But that might be just a waste of ressources, so your call. -- regards, Reinhard -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#683247: Bug#683030: unblock: vlc/2.0.3-1
01.08.2012 в 09:45:12 +0100 Adam D. Barratt написал: On 01.08.2012 09:14, Fabian Greffrath wrote: So, will libav 6:0.8.3-5 get unblocked or should we request this separately? The libav discussion moved to (the cloned) #683247, where Reinhard said he was going to upload -6. That bug also contains some discussion which suggests the previous m-a:foreign changes were incorrect. In any case, let's move the discussion there, please. :-) These multi-arch changes were correct (the packages cannot be Multi-Arch: foreign because they provide architecture-specific interface) but not ideal (architecture-specific packages should not be Architecture: all). And problems created by this non-ideality are mitigated by general uselessness of the packages (they are intented to transition packages which were never in stable). Also, multi-arch changes were described correctly in the changelog before http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-multimedia/libav.git;a=commitdiff;h=677532340a55be1e0974de241f06aa605e2be083 The architecture change of libav-extra-dbg (with libav-regular-dbg forgotten again) was in fact related to #680602, not #680613. And it also creates architecture-dependent Architecture: all package problems. Which are again mitigated by uselessness of the package (it is not only intended to transition from package not found in stable, but also does not have reverse dependencies). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#683247: Bug#683030: unblock: vlc/2.0.3-1
On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 09:08:50 +0200, Reinhard Tartler wrote: AFAIUI the multi-arch spec, arch:all packages are not allowed to specify Multi-Arch: foreign, so I had the impression that this part was rather obvious to multi-arch experts. Which I am clearly not, so being more explicit in the changelog is very much warrented. That is not true, there's lots of arch:all m-a:foreign packages. Cheers, Julien signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#683247: Bug#683030: unblock: vlc/2.0.3-1
Julien Cristau jcris...@debian.org writes: On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 09:08:50 +0200, Reinhard Tartler wrote: AFAIUI the multi-arch spec, arch:all packages are not allowed to specify Multi-Arch: foreign, so I had the impression that this part was rather obvious to multi-arch experts. Which I am clearly not, so being more explicit in the changelog is very much warrented. That is not true, there's lots of arch:all m-a:foreign packages. Are you sure? That doesn't make sense to me (as opposed to arch:any m-a:foreign packages). Surely arch:all packages are already effectively multi-arch without needing to use any of the new support? -- Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#683247: Bug#683030: unblock: vlc/2.0.3-1
On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 11:01:20 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: Julien Cristau jcris...@debian.org writes: On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 09:08:50 +0200, Reinhard Tartler wrote: AFAIUI the multi-arch spec, arch:all packages are not allowed to specify Multi-Arch: foreign, so I had the impression that this part was rather obvious to multi-arch experts. Which I am clearly not, so being more explicit in the changelog is very much warrented. That is not true, there's lots of arch:all m-a:foreign packages. Are you sure? That doesn't make sense to me (as opposed to arch:any m-a:foreign packages). Surely arch:all packages are already effectively multi-arch without needing to use any of the new support? There are arch:any - arch:all - arch:any dependencies, and without m-a:foreign in the arch:all package, both arch-specific packages have to be from the same arch, AIUI. So yes, pretty sure. Cheers, Julien signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#683247: Bug#683030: unblock: vlc/2.0.3-1
On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 20:16:07 +0200 Julien Cristau jcris...@debian.org wrote: On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 11:01:20 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: Julien Cristau jcris...@debian.org writes: On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 09:08:50 +0200, Reinhard Tartler wrote: AFAIUI the multi-arch spec, arch:all packages are not allowed to specify Multi-Arch: foreign, It's the opposite. Arch all packages are not allowed to specify Multi-Arch: same. Setting a value of Multi-Arch: same on a package which is Architecture: all is considered an error. dpkg-deb must refuse to generate a .deb with this combination of values https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MultiarchSpec#Binary_package_control_fields This means that for an Architecture: all package to satisfy the dependencies of a foreign-architecture package, it must be marked Multi-Arch: foreign or Multi-Arch: allowed. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MultiarchSpec#Dependencies_involving_Architecture:_all_packages so I had the impression that this part was rather obvious to multi-arch experts. Which I am clearly not, so being more explicit in the changelog is very much warrented. That is not true, there's lots of arch:all m-a:foreign packages. It should be close to 100% of the Arch:all packages which are ready for MultiArch. (allowed is rare currently and is only for specialised situations.) Are you sure? That doesn't make sense to me (as opposed to arch:any m-a:foreign packages). Arch:any Multi-Arch: foreign would typically be executables like 'at' (I'm fairly sure Ansgar understands MultiArch). Also base-passwd (Colin Watson, ditto). This is much more likely in the base system packages or where libraries end up depending on executables. As Julien states, in order to install such libraries as Multi-Arch: same, the base system and any executables in the dependency chain need to be available - usually as Multi-Arch: foreign. Surely arch:all packages are already effectively multi-arch without needing to use any of the new support? There are arch:any - arch:all - arch:any dependencies, and without m-a:foreign in the arch:all package, both arch-specific packages have to be from the same arch, AIUI. So yes, pretty sure. Agreed. I don't know if I qualify as a Multiarch expert but I have been testing MultiArch conversions, toolchains and installations as part of Emdebian for ~2 years. The terms used can be confusing - foreign means that the package meets the requirements of a foreign arch package which depends on it. Clearly, Arch:all will nearly always satisfy the dependencies of a foreign arch package. Typical example is debhelper - there is no reason for me to install debhelper:armel on amd64 in order to build stuff for amd64 armel. Foreign means that I just need one version - ideal for Arch:all. i.e. foreign is less constrained than same and foreign packages need only specify Multi-Arch: foreign in debian/control to complete their conversion. -- Neil Williams = http://www.linux.codehelp.co.uk/ pgpSxWFPh56Rj.pgp Description: PGP signature
Bug#683247: Bug#683030: unblock: vlc/2.0.3-1
Neil Williams codeh...@debian.org writes: Julien Cristau jcris...@debian.org wrote: This means that for an Architecture: all package to satisfy the dependencies of a foreign-architecture package, it must be marked Multi-Arch: foreign or Multi-Arch: allowed. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MultiarchSpec#Dependencies_involving_Architecture:_all_packages Oh, thank you. That was the bit that I was missing. It looks like I have some updates to do on my packages! -- Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
