Bug#703456: [Pkg-fonts-devel] Bug#703456: Please add Nafees Nastaleeq
On 2014-06-20 14:02, Nicolas Spalinger wrote: I think it's well-worth for the benefit of Debian and Ubuntu users of this font (and the wider community) to continue to advocate for a re-relase by upstream under a community-recognized and DFSG-approved license instead. Instead of what? Do you suggest that Nafees Web Naskh is dropped from the Debian archive and that both Nafees Web Naskh and Nafees Nastaleeq are dropped from the Ubuntu archive and that we leave Urdu speaking users of Debian or Ubuntu on their own with respect to fonts? Even if the license isn't *ideal* from a DFSG POV, it does not make the fonts non-free AFAICT. Hence a reasonable approach IMO would be to do both, i.e. keep accepting the current license for now while proposing upstream to re-release the fonts under a license without the mentioned ambiguities. -- Gunnar Hjalmarsson https://launchpad.net/~gunnarhj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#703456: [Pkg-fonts-devel] Bug#703456: Please add Nafees Nastaleeq
On 10/06/14 14:07, Gunnar Hjalmarsson wrote: 2014-06-10 07:07, Christian PERRIER wrote: Let's first decide about Nafees Nastaleeq Right. This is the license again: http://www.cle.org.pk/software/license/Nafees_Nastaleeq_License.html Basically it's an Expat license with a few restrictions: - You must rename the font if you modify it - While you are permitted to include the font in commercial software, you are not allowed to sell the font itself. - You may not use the names Nafees or CRULP in an advertising context without permission. So, would any of those restrictions prevent the font from being included in the Debian archive? Personally I think not. One of the major issues lies with a clause referring explicitly to the GPL while the license itself not being the GPL. Basically the font embedding clause is really messy: this font exception (lifted from the experimental font exception designed to work with the GNU GPL) can be removed in downstream derivatives: users and publishers cannot be sure that derivative fonts explicitly allow embedding or not. The significant risk is that documents created using derivative fonts will have to be released under GPL because this font license propagates to the document itself which is an unintended but quite problematic side-effect. The consequence is that it breaks the trust users can put into the licensing if they can't be sure if they can embed the fonts or not in their documents. And - as Christian rightly pointed out - there are serious issues from a compatibility point of view to take into account. For example, the smart font code is stuck in a silo project-only license. Not so good for future maintainership and general efforts to move towards a more open buildpath. Debian and Ubuntu should not encourage but rather resist every well-meaning research institute around the world trying to cook up their own project-specific and incompatible license. I think it's well-worth for the benefit of Debian and Ubuntu users of this font (and the wider community) to continue to advocate for a re-relase by upstream under a community-recognized and DFSG-approved license instead. Thanks to all involved for their work on this :-) -- Nicolas -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#703456: [Pkg-fonts-devel] Bug#703456: Please add Nafees Nastaleeq
Quoting Gunnar Hjalmarsson (gunna...@ubuntu.com): Soon before the April Ubuntu release we figured out a way that seems to have made the Urdu users happy. We patched fonts-nafees 1.2-5 by adding NafeesNastaleeq.ttf together with a recipe which I attach to this message. We did not address the version number issue (not enough time). The complete diff is available at http://launchpadlibrarian.net/172050192/fonts-nafees_1.2-5_1.2-5ubuntu1.diff.gz It would of course be desirable if we could get Ubuntu and Debian back in sync. Creating a separate fonts-nafees-nastaleeq package would be fine for us, but that recipe (or something else with the same effect) seems to be necessary as well. -- Gunnar Hjalmarsson https://launchpad.net/~gunnarhj Description: Make Nafees Nastaleeq the preferred font for Urdu Bug-Ubuntu: https://launchpad.net/bugs/1153188 Bug-Debian: https://bugs.debian.org/703456 That bug is not really a forward of this patch. So far it's rather a discussion with Debian about adding the related .ttf file to begin with. The plan is to sort things out with upstream after the 14.04 release. Author: Gunnar Hjalmarsson gunna...@ubuntu.com Where can the TTF file be downloaded? We should also check if there is a source file of any kind as we now prefer including source files for fonts when we can. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#703456: [Pkg-fonts-devel] Bug#703456: Please add Nafees Nastaleeq
Hi Christian, 2014-06-08 08:40, Christian PERRIER skrev: Where can the TTF file be downloaded? http://www.cle.org.pk/software/localization/Fonts/nafeesNastaleeq.html (the Nafees_Nastaleeq_v1.02.zip file) We should also check if there is a source file of any kind as we now prefer including source files for fonts when we can. That zip file is the only source file I'm aware of. Before adding it to the package I renamed Nafees Nastaleeq v1.02.ttf to NafeesNastaleeq.ttf. -- Gunnar Hjalmarsson https://launchpad.net/~gunnarhj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#703456: [Pkg-fonts-devel] Bug#703456: Please add Nafees Nastaleeq
On Mar 21 2013, Christian PERRIER wrote:
Honestly, I don't know. There are many things about fonts that are not
completely clear to me..:-)
Maybe other pkg-fonts team members will know, though.
What about we collecting the distilled knowledge of years and proposing a
presentation on Fonts for Debian Maintainers in one of these DebConfs?
I am willing to collect some notes that I have here about fonts and
transform those in a paper for the proceedings/presentation/whatever, but I
would need some help, perhaps.
Regards,
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Bug#703456: [Pkg-fonts-devel] Bug#703456: Please add Nafees Nastaleeq
Quoting Gunnar Hjalmarsson (gunna...@ubuntu.com): I prepared a temporary (for Ubuntu 13.04) package with both fonts, and at the Ubuntu bug we are trying to figure out how to distinguish between those two. :( After a closer look, I changed my mind : imho, we should switch from one fonts-nafees package providing only one font, to a family of fonts-nafees-* packages, eventually, with a virtual package providing all fonts. The reason for this is that each font in the family (indeed, from that foundry) has its own version numbering scheme, so we want to be able to update one without updating the whole package. Regarding Khaled's mention of enhancing some of the fonts, I'm fine with that but, imho, it should be proposed upstream so that they can include an update with Arabic glyphs in future releases. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#703456: [Pkg-fonts-devel] Bug#703456: Please add Nafees Nastaleeq
Quoting Gunnar Hjalmarsson (gunna...@ubuntu.com): Package: fonts-nafees This is a forward of the Ubuntu bug https://launchpad.net/bugs/1153188 According to that bug report, users speaking Urdu do not consider the current font Nafees Web Naskh sufficient for rendering Urdu text. On their behalf I suggest that also Nafees Nastaleeq is shipped with fonts-nafees. http://www.crulp.org/software/localization/Fonts/nafeesNastaleeq.html Hello (again) Gunnar, We could indeed package *all* fonts from this resource: http://www.crulp.org/software/localization.htm Looking further, I find it sad that no real source is provided for these fonts, by the way. Anyway, adding this to my TODO list, but the package will first go to Debian experimental, not unstable. And, ifyou're in touch with people interested in Urdu localization, this language is one of the major ones that we're missing in Debian Installerhint, hint. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#703456: [Pkg-fonts-devel] Bug#703456: Please add Nafees Nastaleeq
Hi Christian! On 2013-03-20 06:58, Christian PERRIER wrote: We could indeed package *all* fonts from this resource: http://www.crulp.org/software/localization.htm Right now I'm not sure that would be desirable. I prepared a temporary (for Ubuntu 13.04) package with both fonts, and at the Ubuntu bug we are trying to figure out how to distinguish between those two. :( Possibly this is an easy one for somebody who - unlike me - knows these things. A helping hand from you at https://launchpad.net/bugs/1153188 would be much appreciated. And, ifyou're in touch with people interested in Urdu localization, this language is one of the major ones that we're missing in Debian Installerhint, hint. Will mention it once this font issue has been resolved. -- Gunnar Hjalmarsson https://launchpad.net/~gunnarhj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
