Bug#717334: [Pkg-utopia-maintainers] Bug#717334: network-manager-applet: provide a simple network-manager-gtk package for non-GNOME GTK-based desktops

2013-07-19 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 19.07.2013 16:02, schrieb Bob Bib:
 Package: src:network-manager-applet
 Version: 0.9.8.2-1
 Severity: wishlist
 
 Dear maintainers,
 
 please create a simple network-manager-gtk package
 not dependable on any GNOME stuff,

What specifically do you mean by GNOME stuff?


Michael


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Bug#717334: [Pkg-utopia-maintainers] Bug#717334: network-manager-applet: provide a simple network-manager-gtk package for non-GNOME GTK-based desktops

2013-07-19 Thread Samuel Sanchez
Hi Michael,

the current situation of network-manager-gnome is, that it depends
on so many different gnome packages, that it basicly pulls all of
gnome it is installed via apt-get:
185 packages (328 MB) was the count for me today, when i did it, and
for me all these packages are just junk which clutters my disks.
I just don't want libgweather-common to be installed. I want to manage
my network connections and have no intentions to look, how the weather
is in Timbuktu.
I'm pretty sure that most of the dependencies are unnecessary for it
to work and could be removed or network-manager-gnome even made as
stand-alone as possible.

I and I think many others would appreciate that, because I want just
nm-applet and not all of gnome on my systems.

Best
Sam



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Bug#717334: [Pkg-utopia-maintainers] Bug#717334: network-manager-applet: provide a simple network-manager-gtk package for non-GNOME GTK-based desktops

2013-07-19 Thread Samuel Sanchez
 I don't see any connection between network-manager-gnome and
 libgweather-common.

Me, neither, and i don't know, why it was a pulled as extra package,
which need to be installed. I guess, some other package, which
network-manager-gnome (n.m.g) depends on, causes this.
For clarification, here is the list of packages, which was pulled on my
system where i didn't had gnome installed:

http://paste.debian.net/17138/

You see, due to dependencies of dependencies there is a lot of stuffed
being pulled, and I am not really sure, why this happens.
Could be, that it is my fault, and I don't want to blame any of you
maintainers, but still this is rather frustrating.
I guess, you agree, that this is unexpected behavior.

Do you have any ideas, what caused this and how to fix it?
Perhaps this must be fixed upstream, by making n.m.g less defended on
gnome libraries.

Best,
Sam







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Bug#717334: [Pkg-utopia-maintainers] Bug#717334: network-manager-applet: provide a simple network-manager-gtk package for non-GNOME GTK-based desktops

2013-07-19 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 19.07.2013 20:47, schrieb Samuel Sanchez:
 Hi Michael,
 
 the current situation of network-manager-gnome is, that it depends
 on so many different gnome packages, that it basicly pulls all of
 gnome it is installed via apt-get:
 185 packages (328 MB) was the count for me today, when i did it, and
 for me all these packages are just junk which clutters my disks.
 I just don't want libgweather-common to be installed. I want to manage

I don't see any connection between network-manager-gnome and
libgweather-common.
As for the other dependencies: you need to be more specific, otherwise I
can't really comment on that in a useful way.
E.g. gnome-keyring is not really an optional component, as almost every
connection needs to store a secret and nm-applet would be useless without.
For gnome-bluetooth the situation is this: once there is a framework
which automatically prompts the users to install that package when
bluetooth hardware is detected, I'm happy to downgrade that to a suggests.

And then I don't see anything GNOME related anymore in the package
dependencies.

Michael

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