Bug#736062: marked as done (emacsen-common: emacs-package-install --preinst displays incorrect error message)

2014-05-22 Thread Agustin Martin
On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 09:36:24PM +, Debian Bug Tracking System wrote:
  emacsen-common (2.0.8) unstable; urgency=medium
  .
* Require add-on packages to depend on emacsen-common = 2.0.8.  This
  should be simpler and safer, and emacsen-common is only ~140k, which
  shouldn't be too big a burden.

Hi, Rob,

I see that you finally went for the emacsen-common dependency as lesser
evil, fine. While I would have preferred avoiding the dependency, I admit
that we could not find something simple and rock solid to deal with 
the underlying problems without it.

One question here, does the dependency really needs to be this tight? I
mean, would emacsen-common (= 2.0.5) be enough? That is the emacsen-common
version in unstable and would help a lot with use of newer add-on packages
in stable.

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Bug#736062: marked as done (emacsen-common: emacs-package-install --preinst displays incorrect error message)

2014-05-22 Thread Agustin Martin
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 01:36:59PM +0200, Agustin Martin wrote:
 One question here, does the dependency really needs to be this tight? I
 mean, would emacsen-common (= 2.0.5) be enough? That is the emacsen-common
 version in unstable and would help a lot with use of newer add-on packages
 
  stable

 in stable.

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Bug#736062: marked as done (emacsen-common: emacs-package-install --preinst displays incorrect error message)

2014-05-22 Thread Rob Browning
Agustin Martin agmar...@debian.org writes:

 I see that you finally went for the emacsen-common dependency as lesser
 evil, fine. While I would have preferred avoiding the dependency, I admit
 that we could not find something simple and rock solid to deal with 
 the underlying problems without it.

 One question here, does the dependency really needs to be this tight? I
 mean, would emacsen-common (= 2.0.5) be enough? That is the emacsen-common
 version in unstable and would help a lot with use of newer add-on packages
 in stable.

Good question -- let me investigate.

Thanks
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Bug#736062: marked as done (emacsen-common: emacs-package-install --preinst displays incorrect error message)

2014-05-22 Thread Rob Browning
Agustin Martin agmar...@debian.org writes:

 One question here, does the dependency really needs to be this tight? I
 mean, would emacsen-common (= 2.0.5) be enough? That is the emacsen-common
 version in unstable and would help a lot with use of newer add-on packages
 in stable.

Let me make sure I understand -- what's the case you're thinking about
here?

Is it someone running stable/testing (or similar) who wants to

  apt-get install -t testing newer-add-on

but doesn't want that to pull in a new emacsen-commmon, or something
else?

Thanks
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Bug#736062: marked as done (emacsen-common: emacs-package-install --preinst displays incorrect error message)

2014-05-22 Thread Agustin Martin
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 11:43:39AM -0500, Rob Browning wrote:
 Agustin Martin agmar...@debian.org writes:
 
  One question here, does the dependency really needs to be this tight? I
  mean, would emacsen-common (= 2.0.5) be enough? That is the emacsen-common
  version in unstable and would help a lot with use of newer add-on packages
  in stable.
 
 Let me make sure I understand -- what's the case you're thinking about
 here?
 
 Is it someone running stable/testing (or similar) who wants to
 
   apt-get install -t testing newer-add-on
 
 but doesn't want that to pull in a new emacsen-commmon, or something
 else?

My first thought was about possible incompatibilities of new emacsen-common
with old stuff in stable. 

But thinking more in depth, I'd expect sid emacsen-common to install
smoothly in stable and work at least as well (and with most of the known
problems with not well adapted add-ons) as stable emacsen-common.

If that is the case, my original question is mostly philosophical, nothing
to worry about too much. Simply installing emacsen-common along with the
new add-on would satisfy dependencies and fix the problem.

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Bug#736062: marked as done (emacsen-common: emacs-package-install --preinst displays incorrect error message)

2014-05-22 Thread Rob Browning
Agustin Martin agmar...@debian.org writes:

 My first thought was about possible incompatibilities of new emacsen-common
 with old stuff in stable. 

 But thinking more in depth, I'd expect sid emacsen-common to install
 smoothly in stable and work at least as well (and with most of the known
 problems with not well adapted add-ons) as stable emacsen-common.

 If that is the case, my original question is mostly philosophical, nothing
 to worry about too much. Simply installing emacsen-common along with the
 new add-on would satisfy dependencies and fix the problem.

OK, right -- and there are some non-trivial fixes since 2.0.5, so all
told, if we can get by with requiring 2.0.8, I think that might be
preferable.

Thanks much for the help
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