Bug#778614: D-I: Unable to load firmware from NTFS formated usb stick
Hi Andrey, and thanks for your report. Andrey Tataranovich tataranov...@gmail.com (2015-02-17): Package: debian-installer Version: 8.0 beta Severity: important Tags: d-i Dear Maintainer, A few days ago I tried to install Debian Jessie using Debian GNU/Linux testing Jessie - Official Snapshot amd64 NETINST Binary-1 20150209-06:32 disk. Network card require non-free firmware to work (d-i unable to detect network hardware without it) so I inserted NTFS formated usb stick with needed firmware (/firmware). But seems NTFS is not supported so I was unable to proceed. Why not to add support for NTFS for loading missing firmware? As I know kernel already have support for reading NTFS volumes. https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s04.html.en contains, under 6.4.1. Preparing a medium: The recommended file system to use is FAT as that is most certain to be supported during the early stages of the installation. Keeping this bug report at wishlist severity (as set by Ben) for later consideration looks like the way to go. Mraw, KiBi. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#778614: D-I: Unable to load firmware from NTFS formated usb stick
Control: severity -1 wishlist On Tue, 2015-02-17 at 16:55 +0300, Andrey Tataranovich wrote: Package: debian-installer Version: 8.0 beta Severity: important Tags: d-i Dear Maintainer, A few days ago I tried to install Debian Jessie using Debian GNU/Linux testing Jessie - Official Snapshot amd64 NETINST Binary-1 20150209-06:32 disk. Network card require non-free firmware to work (d-i unable to detect network hardware without it) so I inserted NTFS formated usb stick with needed firmware (/firmware). But seems NTFS is not supported so I was unable to proceed. Why not to add support for NTFS for loading missing firmware? As I know kernel already have support for reading NTFS volumes. NTFS is special because it is not a user-space filesystem. And Windows does not allow formatting removable drives as NTFS, so this is not a normal filesystem to use on removable drives. Reducing the severity accordingly. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings Never attribute to conspiracy what can adequately be explained by stupidity. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Bug#778614: D-I: Unable to load firmware from NTFS formated usb stick
Andrey Tataranovich, le Tue 17 Feb 2015 16:55:47 +0300, a écrit : Why not to add support for NTFS for loading missing firmware? As I know kernel already have support for reading NTFS volumes. Just FTR (not implying anything, just giving the number), ntfs.ko weighs 326KiB on my 3.16 kernel. Samuel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#778614: D-I: Unable to load firmware from NTFS formated usb stick
On Tue, 17 Feb 2015 14:13:30 + Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk wrote: Control: severity -1 wishlist On Tue, 2015-02-17 at 16:55 +0300, Andrey Tataranovich wrote: Package: debian-installer Version: 8.0 beta Severity: important Tags: d-i Dear Maintainer, A few days ago I tried to install Debian Jessie using Debian GNU/Linux testing Jessie - Official Snapshot amd64 NETINST Binary-1 20150209-06:32 disk. Network card require non-free firmware to work (d-i unable to detect network hardware without it) so I inserted NTFS formated usb stick with needed firmware (/firmware). But seems NTFS is not supported so I was unable to proceed. Why not to add support for NTFS for loading missing firmware? As I know kernel already have support for reading NTFS volumes. NTFS is special because it is not a user-space filesystem. And Windows does not allow formatting removable drives as NTFS, so this is not a normal filesystem to use on removable drives. Reducing the severity accordingly. Ben. Ben, Windows 7 (and maybe never versions) allow to format usb stick to NTFS: http://gyazo.com/fd4cb1b46667dabdbdd3a2fcdb59d2c3 so I believe we need to support NTFS for loading missing firmware. -- WBR, Andrey Tataranovich -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#778614: D-I: Unable to load firmware from NTFS formated usb stick
Package: debian-installer Version: 8.0 beta Severity: important Tags: d-i Dear Maintainer, A few days ago I tried to install Debian Jessie using Debian GNU/Linux testing Jessie - Official Snapshot amd64 NETINST Binary-1 20150209-06:32 disk. Network card require non-free firmware to work (d-i unable to detect network hardware without it) so I inserted NTFS formated usb stick with needed firmware (/firmware). But seems NTFS is not supported so I was unable to proceed. Why not to add support for NTFS for loading missing firmware? As I know kernel already have support for reading NTFS volumes. -- System Information: Debian Release: 7.8 APT prefers stable APT policy: (500, 'stable') Architecture: i386 (i686) Kernel: Linux 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (SMP w/4 CPU cores) Locale: LANG=en_US.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8) Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#778614: D-I: Unable to load firmware from NTFS formated usb stick
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 02:13:30PM +, Ben Hutchings wrote: NTFS is special because it is not a user-space filesystem. And Windows does not allow formatting removable drives as NTFS, so this is not a normal filesystem to use on removable drives. Reducing the severity accordingly. Of course it allows that. In fact it won't allow you to use FAT32 for anything bigger than 32GB, so lots of external drives are NTFS because you have no other choice. -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#778614: D-I: Unable to load firmware from NTFS formated usb stick
On Tue, 17 Feb 2015 12:44:56 -0500 Lennart Sorensen lsore...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 02:13:30PM +, Ben Hutchings wrote: NTFS is special because it is not a user-space filesystem. And Windows does not allow formatting removable drives as NTFS, so this is not a normal filesystem to use on removable drives. Reducing the severity accordingly. Of course it allows that. In fact it won't allow you to use FAT32 for anything bigger than 32GB, so lots of external drives are NTFS because you have no other choice. To install Debian I'm using Zalman ZM-VE200. This device allow to attach ISO image as virtual cdrom. In addition device allow to export it's internal hdd, so I have cdrom + usb storage with NTFS. To be able to use virtual cdrom functionality I must use NTFS or exFAT, but nothing of this is supported by D-I. -- WBR, Andrey Tataranovich -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#778614: D-I: Unable to load firmware from NTFS formated usb stick
Control: severity -1 normal On Tue, 2015-02-17 at 17:31 +0300, Andrey Tataranovich wrote: On Tue, 17 Feb 2015 14:13:30 + Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk wrote: Control: severity -1 wishlist On Tue, 2015-02-17 at 16:55 +0300, Andrey Tataranovich wrote: Package: debian-installer Version: 8.0 beta Severity: important Tags: d-i Dear Maintainer, A few days ago I tried to install Debian Jessie using Debian GNU/Linux testing Jessie - Official Snapshot amd64 NETINST Binary-1 20150209-06:32 disk. Network card require non-free firmware to work (d-i unable to detect network hardware without it) so I inserted NTFS formated usb stick with needed firmware (/firmware). But seems NTFS is not supported so I was unable to proceed. Why not to add support for NTFS for loading missing firmware? As I know kernel already have support for reading NTFS volumes. NTFS is special because it is not a user-space filesystem. And Windows does not allow formatting removable drives as NTFS, so this is not a normal filesystem to use on removable drives. Reducing the severity accordingly. Ben. Ben, Windows 7 (and maybe never versions) allow to format usb stick to NTFS: http://gyazo.com/fd4cb1b46667dabdbdd3a2fcdb59d2c3 so I believe we need to support NTFS for loading missing firmware. Sorry, I never noticed that this had changed. I disagree with 'need', but that does seem to make this higher severity than wishlist. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings Never attribute to conspiracy what can adequately be explained by stupidity. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
