Bug#820492: pbuilder: satisfydepends-classic can't install versioned build dependency from experimental
On Saturday, 23 July 2016 4:53:02 PM AEST Mattia Rizzolo wrote: > alright, let me close this. > > This really nothing I can actually act upone, and we already have enough > bugs open. > > Please do report any bug you may encounter in the future, possibly with > something I can use to constantly reproduce it. I don't understand why would you (just) close this bug. Merely because reproducer is no longer valid and you "have enough bugs open"?? But the problem is still there... It shouldn't be too hard to find (or made) package with versioned dependency satisfy-able from "experimental" only... At least you should be able to test if resolver fails on unsatisfiable versioned dependencies instead of silently installing older versions than required. It is understandable if you can't address the issue yet or choose to prioritise other bugs. But closing legitimate bugs instead of fixing them never helps anything... -- Cheers, Dmitry Smirnov. --- Democracy is a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance. -- H. L. Mencken signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Bug#820492: pbuilder: satisfydepends-classic can't install versioned build dependency from experimental
control: close -1 On Sat, May 28, 2016 at 07:55:15PM +1000, Dmitry Smirnov wrote: > On Friday, 27 May 2016 8:51:51 PM AEST Mattia Rizzolo wrote: > > Are you able to provide me with something I could test? > > Not at the moment, sorry... > > > > Also, I see that whatever issue was (as I wasn't able to figure it out) > > in #820493 is now closed. > > Oh, my bug-closing email to 820493-done did not appear in history somehow... > > #820493 was due to "php7.0-common" provides "php-gettext" without Breaks/ > Replaces. I reported the problem as #823815... alright, let me close this. This really nothing I can actually act upone, and we already have enough bugs open. Please do report any bug you may encounter in the future, possibly with something I can use to constantly reproduce it. -- regards, Mattia Rizzolo GPG Key: 66AE 2B4A FCCF 3F52 DA18 4D18 4B04 3FCD B944 4540 .''`. more about me: https://mapreri.org : :' : Launchpad user: https://launchpad.net/~mapreri `. `'` Debian QA page: https://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=mattia `- signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Bug#820492: pbuilder: satisfydepends-classic can't install versioned build dependency from experimental
On Friday, 27 May 2016 8:51:51 PM AEST Mattia Rizzolo wrote: > Are you able to provide me with something I could test? Not at the moment, sorry... > Also, I see that whatever issue was (as I wasn't able to figure it out) > in #820493 is now closed. Oh, my bug-closing email to 820493-done did not appear in history somehow... #820493 was due to "php7.0-common" provides "php-gettext" without Breaks/ Replaces. I reported the problem as #823815... Thanks. -- Regards, Dmitry Smirnov. --- It is impossible to imagine Goethe or Beethoven being good at billiards or golf. -- H. L. Mencken signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Bug#820492: pbuilder: satisfydepends-classic can't install versioned build dependency from experimental
control: tag -1 moreinfo unreproducible On Sat, Apr 09, 2016 at 12:40:50PM +1000, Dmitry Smirnov wrote: > > PBUILDERSATISFYDEPENDSCMD="/usr/lib/pbuilder/pbuilder-satisfydepends-classic" > > in "~/.pbuilderrc" I'm trying to build "php7cc" package that Build-Depends on > > php-pimple (>= 3.0.2~) > > At the moment "unstable" have php-pimple_1.1.1-1 while "experimental" > have php-pimple_3.0.2-1. > > Pbuilder however installs php-pimple_1.1.1-1 from "unstable" when both > "unstable" and "experimental" suites are enabled in "/etc/apt/sources.list". umh, unluckily now the situation wrt php is changed a lot, and I fear I missed the chance to actually test this. I tried now and it just works as expected with all the 3 resolvers. Are you able to provide me with something I could test? Also, I see that whatever issue was (as I wasn't able to figure it out) in #820493 is now closed. -- regards, Mattia Rizzolo GPG Key: 66AE 2B4A FCCF 3F52 DA18 4D18 4B04 3FCD B944 4540 .''`. more about me: https://mapreri.org : :' : Launchpad user: https://launchpad.net/~mapreri `. `'` Debian QA page: https://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=mattia `- signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Bug#820492: pbuilder: satisfydepends-classic can't install versioned build dependency from experimental
Dmitry Smirnov dixit: >I'm with you if you are describing what resolvers _should_ do. Unfortunately >that's not what -classic resolver does. Oh okay, then I misunderstood the bugreport, sorry. bye, //mirabilos -- Stéphane, I actually don’t block Googlemail, they’re just too utterly stupid to successfully deliver to me (or anyone else using Greylisting and not whitelisting their ranges). Same for a few other providers such as Hotmail. Some spammers (Yahoo) I do block.
Bug#820492: pbuilder: satisfydepends-classic can't install versioned build dependency from experimental
On Sunday, 10 April 2016 11:17:52 PM AEST Thorsten Glaser wrote: > Dmitry Smirnov dixit: > >resolver not respecting proper versioning in Build-Depends. Only version > >from experimental should satisfy versioned dependency yet resolver > >ignores that. > No, that’s wrong, only the version must be taken into account. What's wrong? I'm talking exactly about versioning. > Take this: > > foo 1.2 in sid, 1.4 in experimental > > B-D: foo ⇒ sid > B-D: foo (>= 1.1~) ⇒ sid > B-D: foo (>= 1.3~) ⇒ experimental I don't understand what are you arguing with. I'm trying to say exactly the same thing... > This is true for any and all resolvers. I'm with you if you are describing what resolvers _should_ do. Unfortunately that's not what -classic resolver does. -- All the best, Dmitry Smirnov. --- Truth — Something somehow discreditable to someone. -- H. L. Mencken, 1949 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Bug#820492: pbuilder: satisfydepends-classic can't install versioned build dependency from experimental
Dmitry Smirnov dixit: >resolver not respecting proper versioning in Build-Depends. Only version from >experimental should satisfy versioned dependency yet resolver ignores that. No, that’s wrong, only the version must be taken into account. Take this: foo 1.2 in sid, 1.4 in experimental B-D: foo ⇒ sid B-D: foo (>= 1.1~) ⇒ sid B-D: foo (>= 1.3~) ⇒ experimental This is true for any and all resolvers. bye, //mirabilos -- Stéphane, I actually don’t block Googlemail, they’re just too utterly stupid to successfully deliver to me (or anyone else using Greylisting and not whitelisting their ranges). Same for a few other providers such as Hotmail. Some spammers (Yahoo) I do block.
Bug#820492: pbuilder: satisfydepends-classic can't install versioned build dependency from experimental
On Sunday, 10 April 2016 1:17:25 PM AEST Thorsten Glaser wrote: > That’s a bug in your package, you must version the Build-Depends > properly so that only the version in experimental fulfils it. Sorry, you've misunderstood this part. This bug report is exactly about resolver not respecting proper versioning in Build-Depends. Only version from experimental should satisfy versioned dependency yet resolver ignores that. -- Best wishes, Dmitry Smirnov. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Bug#820492: pbuilder: satisfydepends-classic can't install versioned build dependency from experimental
Dmitry Smirnov dixit: >when required version of dependency is not available: when only "unstable" >suite is enabled -experimental resolver quietly install older version of >dependency which causes FTBFS later on. That’s a bug in your package, you must version the Build-Depends properly so that only the version in experimental fulfils it. This is the same with official buildds: they are allowed to use any older version of the package to fulfil the B-D if the newer is not in the archive yet. It also helps backports. >-aptitude resolver is superior Oh well but it uses aptitude. I remember someone contributed an apt-based resolver which does like sbuild some time ago. What became of that? Also, apt can now install packages directly, so it could probably be simplified… except I wish for it to work down to sarge, so I’d prefer the full version with a sources.list entry. bye, //mirabilos -- Beware of ritual lest you forget the meaning behind it. yeah but it means if you really care about something, don't ritualise it, or you will lose it. don't fetishise it, don't obsess. or you'll forget why you love it in the first place.
Bug#820492: pbuilder: satisfydepends-classic can't install versioned build dependency from experimental
On Saturday, 9 April 2016 1:41:18 PM AEST Mattia Rizzolo wrote: > -classic is really old (< 2002) and is very much not clever. > > For experimental you should use the -experimental (which was designed > exactly to satisfy experimental deps) or -aptitude resolver (I suggest > the aptitude one). Thanks. I tried -experimental resolver and it successfully installed required dependency from "experimental". However -experimental resolver do not fail when required version of dependency is not available: when only "unstable" suite is enabled -experimental resolver quietly install older version of dependency which causes FTBFS later on. -classic resolver correctly fail in "unstable" when required version of dependency is not available even though it fails to install it from "experimental" when it is possible. -aptitude resolver is superior but currently affected by #820493... -- All the best, Dmitry Smirnov. --- The truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end; there it is. -- Winston Churchill signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Bug#820492: pbuilder: satisfydepends-classic can't install versioned build dependency from experimental
On Sat, Apr 09, 2016 at 12:40:50PM +1000, Dmitry Smirnov wrote: > > PBUILDERSATISFYDEPENDSCMD="/usr/lib/pbuilder/pbuilder-satisfydepends-classic" > > in "~/.pbuilderrc" I'm trying to build "php7cc" package that Build-Depends on > > php-pimple (>= 3.0.2~) > > At the moment "unstable" have php-pimple_1.1.1-1 while "experimental" > have php-pimple_3.0.2-1. > > Pbuilder however installs php-pimple_1.1.1-1 from "unstable" when both > "unstable" and "experimental" suites are enabled in "/etc/apt/sources.list". -classic is really old (< 2002) and is very much not clever. For experimental you should use the -experimental (which was designed exactly to satisfy experimental deps) or -aptitude resolver (I suggest the aptitude one). -- regards, Mattia Rizzolo GPG Key: 66AE 2B4A FCCF 3F52 DA18 4D18 4B04 3FCD B944 4540 .''`. more about me: http://mapreri.org : :' : Launchpad user: https://launchpad.net/~mapreri `. `'` Debian QA page: https://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=mattia `- signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Bug#820492: pbuilder: satisfydepends-classic can't install versioned build dependency from experimental
Package: pbuilder Version: 0.223 Severity: normal Using pbuilder with PBUILDERSATISFYDEPENDSCMD="/usr/lib/pbuilder/pbuilder-satisfydepends-classic" in "~/.pbuilderrc" I'm trying to build "php7cc" package that Build-Depends on php-pimple (>= 3.0.2~) At the moment "unstable" have php-pimple_1.1.1-1 while "experimental" have php-pimple_3.0.2-1. Pbuilder however installs php-pimple_1.1.1-1 from "unstable" when both "unstable" and "experimental" suites are enabled in "/etc/apt/sources.list". -- Regards, Dmitry Smirnov GPG key : 4096R/53968D1B --- On one level, wisdom is nothing more profound than an ability to follow one’s own advice. -- Sam Harris, Waking Up: A Guide to Spirituality Without Religion signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
