Bug#833401: debian-policy: virtual packages: dbus-session-bus, default-dbus-session-bus
On Fri, 07 Dec 2018 19:26:50 -0700, Sean Whitton wrote: > Thanks. Seeking seconds: > > diff --git a/virtual-package-names-list.yaml b/virtual-package-names-list.yaml > index ab2662e..f7626ef 100644 > --- a/virtual-package-names-list.yaml > +++ b/virtual-package-names-list.yaml > @@ -106,6 +106,10 @@ virtualPackages: > description: anything that is capable of controlling an UPS > - name: cron-daemon > description: Any cron daemon that correctly follows policy requirements > + - name: dbus-session-bus > + description: provides the D-Bus well-known session bus for most or all > user login sessions > + - name: default-dbus-session-bus > + description: Debian's preferred implementation of dbus-session-bus, > possibly architecture-specific > > # Documentation > > @@ -435,3 +439,7 @@ virtualPackages: > # virtual-mysql-server-core > # virtual-mysql-testsuite > # 08 Jan 2017 Added adventure > +# > +# Sean Whitton: > +# xx Dec 2018 Added dbus-session-bus > +# Added default-dbus-session-bus > This looks all good to me, hence: seconded. Cheers, gregor -- .''`. https://info.comodo.priv.at -- Debian Developer https://www.debian.org : :' : OpenPGP fingerprint D1E1 316E 93A7 60A8 104D 85FA BB3A 6801 8649 AA06 `. `' Member VIBE!AT & SPI Inc. -- Supporter Free Software Foundation Europe `- NP: Uriah Heep: Stealin' signature.asc Description: Digital Signature
Bug#833401: debian-policy: virtual packages: dbus-session-bus, default-dbus-session-bus
On Fri, 07 Dec 2018 at 19:26:50 -0700, Sean Whitton wrote: > diff --git a/virtual-package-names-list.yaml b/virtual-package-names-list.yaml > + - name: dbus-session-bus > + description: provides the D-Bus well-known session bus for most or all > user login sessions > + - name: default-dbus-session-bus > + description: Debian's preferred implementation of dbus-session-bus, > possibly architecture-specific Seconded, thanks. smcv
Bug#833401: debian-policy: virtual packages: dbus-session-bus, default-dbus-session-bus
control: tag -1 +patch Hello, On Sat 24 Nov 2018 at 03:23PM GMT, Simon McVittie wrote: > The routes that I described as "other options" were not taken. > > The current situation is that we have the two virtual packages that I > proposed in the original bug report > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=833401#5 > modulo the rename of dbus-default-session-bus to default-dbus-session-bus > as mentioned in > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=833401#10 (trying to > continue/establish a convention that the preferred implementation of a > virtual package foo is default-foo). So: > > * dbus-session-bus: anything providing the D-Bus well-known session bus > for most or all user login sessions. If dbus-session-bus is > installed, then programs in at least graphical login sessions can > rely on seeing the $DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS environment variable, > the $XDG_RUNTIME_DIR/bus Unix socket, or some other way to discover a > session bus that is supported by all the major D-Bus client libraries. > > * default-dbus-session-bus: Debian's preferred implementation of > dbus-session-bus, possibly architecture-specific. Thanks. Seeking seconds: diff --git a/virtual-package-names-list.yaml b/virtual-package-names-list.yaml index ab2662e..f7626ef 100644 --- a/virtual-package-names-list.yaml +++ b/virtual-package-names-list.yaml @@ -106,6 +106,10 @@ virtualPackages: description: anything that is capable of controlling an UPS - name: cron-daemon description: Any cron daemon that correctly follows policy requirements + - name: dbus-session-bus + description: provides the D-Bus well-known session bus for most or all user login sessions + - name: default-dbus-session-bus + description: Debian's preferred implementation of dbus-session-bus, possibly architecture-specific # Documentation @@ -435,3 +439,7 @@ virtualPackages: # virtual-mysql-server-core # virtual-mysql-testsuite # 08 Jan 2017 Added adventure +# +# Sean Whitton: +# xx Dec 2018 Added dbus-session-bus +# Added default-dbus-session-bus -- Sean Whitton signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Bug#833401: debian-policy: virtual packages: dbus-session-bus, default-dbus-session-bus
On Sat, 03 Nov 2018 at 14:07:18 -0700, Sean Whitton wrote: > On Thu 04 Aug 2016 at 01:43PM +0100, Simon McVittie wrote: > >> Other options > > I note that no such binary package exists right now. Does this issue > remain unresolved? I also note recent discussion on d-devel. Kindly > update this bug with the present state of play. The routes that I described as "other options" were not taken. The current situation is that we have the two virtual packages that I proposed in the original bug report https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=833401#5 modulo the rename of dbus-default-session-bus to default-dbus-session-bus as mentioned in https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=833401#10 (trying to continue/establish a convention that the preferred implementation of a virtual package foo is default-foo). So: * dbus-session-bus: anything providing the D-Bus well-known session bus for most or all user login sessions. If dbus-session-bus is installed, then programs in at least graphical login sessions can rely on seeing the $DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS environment variable, the $XDG_RUNTIME_DIR/bus Unix socket, or some other way to discover a session bus that is supported by all the major D-Bus client libraries. * default-dbus-session-bus: Debian's preferred implementation of dbus-session-bus, possibly architecture-specific. Programs and desktop environments that require a D-Bus session bus and cannot work without one should normally declare: Depends: default-dbus-session-bus | dbus-session-bus unless they have more specific requirements. Programs with weaker dependencies can use a Recommends or a Suggests. (Implementation detail: default-dbus-session-bus is currently provided by dbus-user-session on Linux, and by dbus-x11 on non-Linux ports. On Linux, dbus-x11 is a non-default implementation of dbus-session-bus, to be used by people who prefer to have one session bus per X11 display, or who don't want systemd or systemd-logind.) smcv
Bug#833401: debian-policy: virtual packages: dbus-session-bus, default-dbus-session-bus
control: tag -1 +moreinfo Dear Simon, On Thu 04 Aug 2016 at 01:43PM +0100, Simon McVittie wrote: >> Other options >> = > ... >> * Add a real (non-virtual) empty package dbus-session-bus built by src:dbus, >> with Depends: dbus-user-session | dbus-x11 (initially). Other packages >> depend on dbus-session-bus. >> (Pro: simpler dependency graph. Con: requires NEW queue.) > > Another advantage of this option (which it shares with the others that do not > use a default-d-s-b virtual package) is that it avoids ambiguity if apt > is configured to see more than one suite (perhaps unstable and testing, or > testing and stable-security) and the package providing default-d-s-b differs > between those suites. > > If the scheme involving two virtual packages is preferred over this > option, I would very much appreciate someone who knows about these things > describing why, because it isn't currently clear to me. I note that no such binary package exists right now. Does this issue remain unresolved? I also note recent discussion on d-devel. Kindly update this bug with the present state of play. -- Sean Whitton signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Bug#833401: debian-policy: virtual packages: dbus-session-bus, default-dbus-session-bus
On Wed, 03 Aug 2016 at 21:47:38 +0100, Simon McVittie wrote: > dbus-default-session-bus: Debian's preferred implementation of > dbus-session-bus Andreas Henriksson points out on IRC that default-dbus-session-bus is more like the situation with mail-transport-agent and default-mta, and could perhaps start a convention that the preferred implementation of the virtual package foo is represented by default-foo. So I think that would be a better name. > Other options > = ... > * Add a real (non-virtual) empty package dbus-session-bus built by src:dbus, > with Depends: dbus-user-session | dbus-x11 (initially). Other packages > depend on dbus-session-bus. > (Pro: simpler dependency graph. Con: requires NEW queue.) Another advantage of this option (which it shares with the others that do not use a default-d-s-b virtual package) is that it avoids ambiguity if apt is configured to see more than one suite (perhaps unstable and testing, or testing and stable-security) and the package providing default-d-s-b differs between those suites. If the scheme involving two virtual packages is preferred over this option, I would very much appreciate someone who knows about these things describing why, because it isn't currently clear to me. S
