Bug#858849: installation-reports: Successful Jessie installation with backported kernel 4.9.16-1+reiser4.0.1 on i915 system AMD64

[Steve McIntyre]

Hi,

On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 09:27:42AM -0700, Jose R R wrote:
>On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 8:48 AM, Cyril Brulebois  wrote:
>> Jose R R  (2017-03-29):
>>
>>> "We also encourage installation reports to be sent even if the
>>> installation is successful, so that we can get as much information as
>>> possible on the largest number of hardware configurations." <
>>> https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch05s04.html.en#submit-bug
>>> >
>>
>> Sure, with official images.
>>
>>> If you are still 'bothered' with my sporadic submissions, I encourage
>>> you to modify the documentation to specifically exclude the glaring
>>> omission.
>>
>> I could be adding a specific “we don't need reiser4-specific reports”
>
>Please do add that phrase; thus removing any ambiguities and cover the
>glaring omission in the Debian documentation.

It's hardly a "glaring omission" that we don't list *explicitly*:

 * we don't want reiser4-specific reports
 * we don't want Ubuntu installation reports
 * we don't want installation reports about other modified images

You're reading the "Installation Guide for Debian", not the
"Installation Guide for every unofficial user-modified version of
Debian". The docs are meant to describe how to install Debian using
Debian's installer - is that not obvious?

>That clarification will prevent other individuals -- who have
>downloaded the netboot installer from SourceForge -- from potentially
>reporting via the debian mechanism -- once the installation completes.
>
>Additionally, appending “we don't need reiser4-specific reports” will
>be a welcome *explicit* change in policy from other FOSS projects,
>like GNU Parted, where the unspoken censorship on reiser4 bites anyone
>who submits patches in support of the
>'Batman Machine': Reiser4
>< https://metztli.it/readOnlyEphemeral/Batman_Machine-Reiser4.pdf >

I understand that you're working on reiser4 stuff and you'd like to
publicise it - that's cool and I hope it's working well for you! But
spamming us here is *not* helping. OK?

-- 
Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com
"When C++ is your hammer, everything looks like a thumb." -- Steven M. Haflich

Bug#858849: installation-reports: Successful Jessie installation with backported kernel 4.9.16-1+reiser4.0.1 on i915 system AMD64

[Jose R R]

Niltze,

On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 8:48 AM, Cyril Brulebois  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Jose R R  (2017-03-29):
>> With all due respect, 99% of the build code for the debian-installer
>> is yours. As well as the build pulls 99% UDEBs from official debian
>> repositories.
>
> That doesn't mean that everything built on top of it has to be reported
> on Debian mailing lists and bug tracker. See derivative distributions,
> they have their own issue tracker, and only forward specific issues.
>
>> i.e., this is a Debian issue, not mine -- as I did not even touch that
>> code and/or modules -- which 1 month ago actually did work smooth:
>>
>> Netboot debian-installer was unable to load firmware from second USB
>> for wifi connection; accordingly, in another virtual screen, I mounted
>> the 2nd USB and manually copied the firmware directory onto the
>> installer environment /lib. d-i then detected the wifi signal, etc.
>>
>>
>> Second, report on this unofficial jessie-backports kernel
>> 4.9.16-1+reiser4.0.1 sheds light on the fact I experienced *no issue*
>> with module i915, as had been reported by (maintainer?): <
>> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=858078 > thus, in a
>> collateral manner, I am contributing to official debian development.
>
> If you want to reply to submitters/maintainers, reply to specific bug
> reports/threads, instead of sending lengthy mails to other people?
>
>> Finally, I am not requesting *any* support. I am simply reporting that
>> your d-i pulling official UDEBs actually have been successful, with
>> minor modifications and a few extra UDEBs of mine, in my installation
>> experience, following Debian documentation guidelines:
>
> I haven't put words in your mouth and suggested you were requesting some
> support. I'm just not convinced such reports are useful. If you
> encounter specific issues, report specific bug reports against the
> relevant component.
>
> debian-boot@ isn't and shouldn't be the destination of each and every
> thing connected to, or merely using, Debian Installer.
>
>> "We also encourage installation reports to be sent even if the
>> installation is successful, so that we can get as much information as
>> possible on the largest number of hardware configurations." <
>> https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch05s04.html.en#submit-bug
>> >
>
> Sure, with official images.
>
>> If you are still 'bothered' with my sporadic submissions, I encourage
>> you to modify the documentation to specifically exclude the glaring
>> omission.
>
> I could be adding a specific “we don't need reiser4-specific reports”

Please do add that phrase; thus removing any ambiguities and cover the
glaring omission in the Debian documentation.

That clarification will prevent other individuals -- who have
downloaded the netboot installer from SourceForge -- from potentially
reporting via the debian mechanism -- once the installation completes.

Additionally, appending “we don't need reiser4-specific reports” will
be a welcome *explicit* change in policy from other FOSS projects,
like GNU Parted, where the unspoken censorship on reiser4 bites anyone
who submits patches in support of the
'Batman Machine': Reiser4
< https://metztli.it/readOnlyEphemeral/Batman_Machine-Reiser4.pdf >


Again, thank you.


Best Professional Regards.

-- 
Jose R R
http://metztli.it
-
Download Debian-Reiser4 for AMD64 https://sf.net/projects/debian-reiser4/
-
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-
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Bug#858849: installation-reports: Successful Jessie installation with backported kernel 4.9.16-1+reiser4.0.1 on i915 system AMD64

[Cyril Brulebois]

Hi,

Jose R R  (2017-03-29):
> With all due respect, 99% of the build code for the debian-installer
> is yours. As well as the build pulls 99% UDEBs from official debian
> repositories.

That doesn't mean that everything built on top of it has to be reported
on Debian mailing lists and bug tracker. See derivative distributions,
they have their own issue tracker, and only forward specific issues.

> i.e., this is a Debian issue, not mine -- as I did not even touch that
> code and/or modules -- which 1 month ago actually did work smooth:
> 
> Netboot debian-installer was unable to load firmware from second USB
> for wifi connection; accordingly, in another virtual screen, I mounted
> the 2nd USB and manually copied the firmware directory onto the
> installer environment /lib. d-i then detected the wifi signal, etc.
> 
> 
> Second, report on this unofficial jessie-backports kernel
> 4.9.16-1+reiser4.0.1 sheds light on the fact I experienced *no issue*
> with module i915, as had been reported by (maintainer?): <
> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=858078 > thus, in a
> collateral manner, I am contributing to official debian development.

If you want to reply to submitters/maintainers, reply to specific bug
reports/threads, instead of sending lengthy mails to other people?

> Finally, I am not requesting *any* support. I am simply reporting that
> your d-i pulling official UDEBs actually have been successful, with
> minor modifications and a few extra UDEBs of mine, in my installation
> experience, following Debian documentation guidelines:

I haven't put words in your mouth and suggested you were requesting some
support. I'm just not convinced such reports are useful. If you
encounter specific issues, report specific bug reports against the
relevant component.

debian-boot@ isn't and shouldn't be the destination of each and every
thing connected to, or merely using, Debian Installer.

> "We also encourage installation reports to be sent even if the
> installation is successful, so that we can get as much information as
> possible on the largest number of hardware configurations." <
> https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch05s04.html.en#submit-bug
> >

Sure, with official images.

> If you are still 'bothered' with my sporadic submissions, I encourage
> you to modify the documentation to specifically exclude the glaring
> omission.

I could be adding a specific “we don't need reiser4-specific reports”
there, but I would hope this isn't needed, since the only submitter of
such reports against images we don't build, publish, or support, seems
to be you.

Thanks for your cooperation.


KiBi.


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Bug#858849: installation-reports: Successful Jessie installation with backported kernel 4.9.16-1+reiser4.0.1 on i915 system AMD64

[Jose R R]

Niltze,

On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 8:00 PM, Cyril Brulebois  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Metztli Information Technology  (2017-03-27):
>> Boot method: CD/USB
>> Image version: https://metztli.it/readOnlyEphemeral/xiuhcohuatl.iso built on 
>> Mar 25 08:35 (2017)
>> Date: Mar 26, 2017, 01:49
>
> A couple of months ago, I asked:
> | Do we need to get installation reports for non-Debian installers?
> | This isn't something we produce, publish, or support, so…
>
> It would be nice if those installation reports could be sent elsewhere;
> thanks already.
>
>
> KiBi.

With all due respect, 99% of the build code for the debian-installer
is yours. As well as the build pulls 99% UDEBs from official debian
repositories.

i.e., this is a Debian issue, not mine -- as I did not even touch that
code and/or modules -- which 1 month ago actually did work smooth:

Netboot debian-installer was unable to load firmware from second USB
for wifi connection;
accordingly, in another virtual screen, I mounted the 2nd USB and
manually copied the firmware
directory onto the installer environment /lib. d-i then detected the
wifi signal, etc.


Second, report on this unofficial jessie-backports kernel
4.9.16-1+reiser4.0.1 sheds light on the fact I experienced *no issue*
with module i915, as had been reported by (maintainer?):
< https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=858078 >
thus, in a collateral manner, I am contributing to official debian development.

Finally, I am not requesting *any* support. I am simply reporting that
your d-i pulling official UDEBs actually have been successful, with
minor modifications and a few extra UDEBs of mine, in my installation
experience, following Debian documentation guidelines:

"We also encourage installation reports to be sent even if the
installation is successful, so that we can get as much information as
possible on the largest number of hardware configurations."
< https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch05s04.html.en#submit-bug >

If you are still 'bothered' with my sporadic submissions, I encourage
you to modify the documentation to specifically exclude the glaring
omission.


Best Professional Regards.

-- 
Jose R R
http://metztli.it
-
Download Debian-Reiser4 for AMD64 https://sf.net/projects/debian-reiser4/
-
Try at no charge http://b2evolution.net for http://OpenShift.com PaaS
-
from our GitHub http://Nepohualtzintzin.com repository. Cloud the easy way!

Bug#858849: installation-reports: Successful Jessie installation with backported kernel 4.9.16-1+reiser4.0.1 on i915 system AMD64

[Cyril Brulebois]

Hi,

Metztli Information Technology  (2017-03-27):
> Boot method: CD/USB
> Image version: https://metztli.it/readOnlyEphemeral/xiuhcohuatl.iso built on 
> Mar 25 08:35 (2017)
> Date: Mar 26, 2017, 01:49

A couple of months ago, I asked:
| Do we need to get installation reports for non-Debian installers?
| This isn't something we produce, publish, or support, so…

It would be nice if those installation reports could be sent elsewhere;
thanks already.


KiBi.


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Bug#858849: installation-reports: Successful Jessie installation with backported kernel 4.9.16-1+reiser4.0.1 on i915 system AMD64

[Metztli Information Technology]

Package: installation-reports
Severity: normal

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-- Package-specific info:

Boot method: CD/USB
Image version: https://metztli.it/readOnlyEphemeral/xiuhcohuatl.iso built on 
Mar 25 08:35 (2017)
Date: Mar 26, 2017, 01:49

Machine: HP Pavilion Notebook PC 2x8192MB RAM
Partitions: 
udev   devtmpfs 102400 10240   0% /dev
tmpfs  tmpfs  3276596 9488   3267108   1% /run
/dev/sda6  reiser4   92791120  5182708  87608412   6% /
tmpfs  tmpfs  8191484 7048   8184436   1% /dev/shm
tmpfs  tmpfs 51204  5116   1% /run/lock
tmpfs  tmpfs  81914840   8191484   0% /sys/fs/cgroup
/dev/sda9  ext213626980061 48938  63% /boot
tmpfs  tmpfs  16383008   1638292   1% /run/user/118
tmpfs  tmpfs  1638300   20   1638280   1% /run/user/1000


Base System Installation Checklist:
[O] = OK, [E] = Error (please elaborate below), [ ] = didn't try it

Initial boot:   [O]
Detect network card:[O]
Configure network:  [O]
Detect CD:  [O]
Load installer modules: [O]
Clock/timezone setup:   [O]
User/password setup:[O]
Detect hard drives: [O]
Partition hard drives:  [O]
Install base system:[O]
Install tasks:  [O]
Install boot loader:[O]
Overall install:[O]

Comments/Problems: Netboot debian-installer was unable to load firmware from 
second USB for wifi connection;
accordingly, in another virtual screen, I mounted the 2nd USB and manually 
copied the firmware
directory onto the installer environment /lib. d-i then detected the wifi 
signal, etc.

I selected a non-expert installation & d-i proceeded normally, by downloading 
via SSL from metztli.it
jessie-packport 4.9.16-1+reiser4.0.1 (2017-03-24), reiser4progs 1.1.x, as well 
as bp replacements of:

nfs-common_1.3.4-2.1_amd64.deb 
libgssapi-krb5-2_1.15-1.1_amd64.deb
libk5crypto3_1.15-1.1_amd64.deb
libkrb5-3_1.15-1.1_amd64.deb
libkrb5support0_1.15-1.1_amd64.deb

In this installer I noticed a lot of debugging verbosity (F4), but overall 
installation was successfull.
In this Reiser4 'retrofitted' d-i, a non-expert install will leave the regular 
kernel in addition to
the Reiser4-enabled bp kernel.
< https://metztli.it/readOnlyEphemeral/xiuhcohuatl_0.png >

notwithstanding a netstat will show same services available as in a non-reiser4 
install.
Regular kernel may be purged by user -- who, if having selected option 'Debian 
Desktop Environment' will see:
< https://metztli.it/readOnlyEphemeral/xiuhcohuatl_01.png >

Again, as in the last installation, dmesg shows segmentation faults as user 
operates her/his new jessie, as shown in snapshot:

< https://metztli.it/readOnlyEphemeral/xiuhcohuatl_02.png >

which introduce latency in the operation of the newly installed jessie. These 
issues will go away by doing:

apt-get -t jessie-backports update
apt-get -t jessie-backports dist-upgrade

Except that non-expert install does not provide jessie-backports option or by 
default. The user thus has to add directive:

deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian jessie-backports main

(at least) to her/his /etc/apt/sources.list

Finally, unlike user who reported bug 858078 with i915,
< https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=858078 >
this system booted normally into a GUI without modification on my part:

lsmod | grep i915
i915 1241088  5 
drm_kms_helper155648  1 i915
drm   360448  6 i915,drm_kms_helper
i2c_algo_bit   16384  1 i915
video  40960  1 i915
button 16384  1 i915

-- 

Please make sure that the hardware-summary log file, and any other
installation logs that you think would be useful are attached to this
report. Please compress large files using gzip.

Once you have filled out this report, mail it to sub...@bugs.debian.org.

==
Installer lsb-release:
==
DISTRIB_ID=Debian
DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Debian GNU/Linux installer"
DISTRIB_RELEASE="8 (jessie) - installer build 20170325-15:09"
X_INSTALLATION_MEDIUM=netboot

==
Installer hardware-summary:
==
uname -a: Linux xiuhcohuatl 4.9.0-2+reiser4.0.1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 
4.9.16-1+reiser4.0.1 (2017-03-24) x86_64 Xonecuiltzin
lspci -knn: 00:00.0 Host bridge [0600]: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core 
Processor Family DRAM Controller [8086:0104] (rev 09)
lspci -knn: Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Device [103c:1658]
lspci -knn: 00:02.0