Bug#859059: keyboard-configuration: many mac keymap in keyboard-configuration are faulty

[raphael truc]

Hi,

I'm currently trying the pc keyboard layout with intl variant
Seems everything is ok
Thanks again

Raphael

2017-03-31 11:42 GMT+02:00 raphael truc :

> Hi,
>
> Indeed your solution seems better.
> If I remember well, I selected manually the mac keyboard.
> I'll try this evening to reconfigure with the pc model
> Thanks
>
> 2017-03-31 10:35 GMT+02:00 Anton Zinoviev :
>
>> On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 10:37:03PM +0200, raphael truc wrote:
>> >
>> > I understand it may not be easy. Maybe a solution would to be to have
>> more
>> > atomic keyboard description file that could be combined together, but it
>> > may add some strange results, though.
>>
>> In my opinion, one solution is to move all mac specific layouts to the
>> respective pc file.  Then we can get rid of the files in macintosh_vndr.
>> I don't see a problem if we allow mac users to use non-mac layouts and
>> pc users to use mac layouts.
>>
>> By the way, did you select Mac keyboard model manually?  As far as I can
>> remember, by default, keyboard-configuration (hence the installer too)
>> use pc keyboard model on Macs (and not macintosh, ibook, powerbook,
>> macbook78 or macbook79).
>>
>> Are there some problems if you reconfigure keyboard-configuration to use
>> pc keyboard model?  In this case there will be no need to copy the altgr
>> part of the pc keyboard to the macintosh one.
>>
>> Anton Zinoviev
>>
>
>

Bug#859059: keyboard-configuration: many mac keymap in keyboard-configuration are faulty

[raphael truc]

Hi,

Indeed your solution seems better.
If I remember well, I selected manually the mac keyboard.
I'll try this evening to reconfigure with the pc model
Thanks

2017-03-31 10:35 GMT+02:00 Anton Zinoviev :

> On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 10:37:03PM +0200, raphael truc wrote:
> >
> > I understand it may not be easy. Maybe a solution would to be to have
> more
> > atomic keyboard description file that could be combined together, but it
> > may add some strange results, though.
>
> In my opinion, one solution is to move all mac specific layouts to the
> respective pc file.  Then we can get rid of the files in macintosh_vndr.
> I don't see a problem if we allow mac users to use non-mac layouts and
> pc users to use mac layouts.
>
> By the way, did you select Mac keyboard model manually?  As far as I can
> remember, by default, keyboard-configuration (hence the installer too)
> use pc keyboard model on Macs (and not macintosh, ibook, powerbook,
> macbook78 or macbook79).
>
> Are there some problems if you reconfigure keyboard-configuration to use
> pc keyboard model?  In this case there will be no need to copy the altgr
> part of the pc keyboard to the macintosh one.
>
> Anton Zinoviev
>

Bug#859059: keyboard-configuration: many mac keymap in keyboard-configuration are faulty

[Anton Zinoviev]

On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 10:37:03PM +0200, raphael truc wrote:
> 
> I understand it may not be easy. Maybe a solution would to be to have more
> atomic keyboard description file that could be combined together, but it
> may add some strange results, though.

In my opinion, one solution is to move all mac specific layouts to the 
respective pc file.  Then we can get rid of the files in macintosh_vndr.  
I don't see a problem if we allow mac users to use non-mac layouts and 
pc users to use mac layouts.

By the way, did you select Mac keyboard model manually?  As far as I can 
remember, by default, keyboard-configuration (hence the installer too) 
use pc keyboard model on Macs (and not macintosh, ibook, powerbook, 
macbook78 or macbook79).

Are there some problems if you reconfigure keyboard-configuration to use 
pc keyboard model?  In this case there will be no need to copy the altgr 
part of the pc keyboard to the macintosh one.

Anton Zinoviev

Bug#859059: keyboard-configuration: many mac keymap in keyboard-configuration are faulty

[raphael truc]

Hi,

Thanks for your quick reply
I understand it may not be easy. Maybe a solution would to be to have more
atomic keyboard description file that could be combined together, but it
may add some strange results, though.
The problem, for now, is that nothing raises a warning or an error saying
it could not work, which is very confusing and frustrating, and painful for
non experienced users and even experienced ones.
And also it could make people think that it's a specifically bad designed
package from Debian which is not.

Have a nice day

Raphael

2017-03-30 20:43 GMT+02:00 Anton Zinoviev :

> forcemerge 535834 859059
> thanks
>
> On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 10:28:42PM +0200, raphael wrote:
> >
> > I have a macbook pro with us keymap, I tried different layouts
> > available in keyboard-configuration to get accents, but ended with Can
> > not find "mac" in "macintosh_vndr/us". or Can not find "altgr-intl" in
> > "macintosh_vndr/us". and No Symbols named "altgr-intl" in the include
> > file "macintosh_vndr/us" or No Symbols named "mac" in the include file
> > "macintosh_vndr/us"
> >
> > I ended up copying the altgr part of the pc keyboard (found in
> > /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols) to the macintosh one. I already had the
> > same kind of problem with mac french azerty keyboard. I think either
> > the /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/macintosh_vndr files should be
> > corrected or choices in the keyboard-configuration setup reduced to
> > what's really available (it took me quite a long time to understand
> > why I couldn't get the accents though everything looked fine).
>
> Yes, this is an unfortunate bug which is reported from time to time.
> Unfortunately, it can not be fixed because of
>
> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33670
>
> Anton Zinoviev
>
>

Bug#859059: keyboard-configuration: many mac keymap in keyboard-configuration are faulty

[Anton Zinoviev]

forcemerge 535834 859059
thanks

On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 10:28:42PM +0200, raphael wrote:
>
> I have a macbook pro with us keymap, I tried different layouts 
> available in keyboard-configuration to get accents, but ended with Can 
> not find "mac" in "macintosh_vndr/us". or Can not find "altgr-intl" in 
> "macintosh_vndr/us". and No Symbols named "altgr-intl" in the include 
> file "macintosh_vndr/us" or No Symbols named "mac" in the include file 
> "macintosh_vndr/us"
> 
> I ended up copying the altgr part of the pc keyboard (found in 
> /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols) to the macintosh one. I already had the 
> same kind of problem with mac french azerty keyboard. I think either 
> the /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/macintosh_vndr files should be 
> corrected or choices in the keyboard-configuration setup reduced to 
> what's really available (it took me quite a long time to understand 
> why I couldn't get the accents though everything looked fine).

Yes, this is an unfortunate bug which is reported from time to time.  
Unfortunately, it can not be fixed because of

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33670

Anton Zinoviev

Bug#859059: keyboard-configuration: many mac keymap in keyboard-configuration are faulty

[raphael]

Package: keyboard-configuration
Version: 1.160
Severity: important

Hi,

I have a macbook pro with us keymap, I tried different layouts available in 
keyboard-configuration to get accents, but ended with
Can not find "mac" in "macintosh_vndr/us". or Can not find "altgr-intl" in 
"macintosh_vndr/us".
and No Symbols named "altgr-intl" in the include file "macintosh_vndr/us" or No 
Symbols named "mac" in the include file "macintosh_vndr/us"

I ended up copying the altgr part of the pc keyboard (found in 
/usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols) to the macintosh one.
I already had the same kind of problem with mac french azerty keyboard.
I think either the /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/macintosh_vndr files should be 
corrected or choices in the keyboard-configuration setup reduced to what's 
really available (it took me quite a long time to understand why I couldn't get 
the accents though everything looked fine).

Thanks

Raphael

-- System Information:
Debian Release: 9.0
  APT prefers testing
  APT policy: (650, 'testing'), (300, 'unstable'), (100, 'experimental')
Architecture: amd64 (x86_64)

Kernel: Linux 4.9.0-2-amd64 (SMP w/4 CPU cores)
Locale: LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=fr_FR.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8) (ignored: LC_ALL 
set to fr_FR.UTF-8)
Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash
Init: sysvinit (via /sbin/init)

Versions of packages keyboard-configuration depends on:
ii  debconf 1.5.60
ii  liblocale-gettext-perl  1.07-3+b1

keyboard-configuration recommends no packages.

keyboard-configuration suggests no packages.

Versions of packages console-setup depends on:
ii  console-setup-linux  1.160
ii  debconf  1.5.60
ii  xkb-data 2.19-1

Versions of packages console-setup suggests:
ii  locales   2.24-9
ii  lsb-base  9.20161125

Versions of packages console-setup-linux depends on:
ii  init-system-helpers  1.47
ii  initscripts  2.88dsf-59.9
ii  kbd  2.0.3-2+b1

Versions of packages console-setup-linux suggests:
ii  console-setup  1.160

Versions of packages keyboard-configuration is related to:
pn  console-common
pn  console-data  
pn  console-tools 
pn  gnome-control-center  
ii  kbd   2.0.3-2+b1
ii  systemd   232-19

-- debconf information:
* keyboard-configuration/ctrl_alt_bksp: true
* keyboard-configuration/store_defaults_in_debconf_db: true
  console-setup/codeset47: # Latin1 and Latin5 - western Europe and Turkic 
languages
  console-setup/store_defaults_in_debconf_db: true
* keyboard-configuration/other:
  keyboard-configuration/unsupported_options: true
  console-setup/codesetcode: Lat15
* keyboard-configuration/switch: No temporary switch
* keyboard-configuration/altgr: The default for the keyboard layout
* console-setup/fontface47: Terminus
  keyboard-configuration/unsupported_config_options: true
  console-setup/guess_font:
* console-setup/fontsize-fb47: 8x16
  console-setup/framebuffer_only:
  console-setup/fontsize: 8x16
  debian-installer/console-setup-udeb/title:
* keyboard-configuration/layoutcode: us
* keyboard-configuration/layout:
  keyboard-configuration/unsupported_config_layout: true
* keyboard-configuration/xkb-keymap: us(altgr-intl)
  console-setup/charmap47: UTF-8
  keyboard-configuration/unsupported_layout: true
* keyboard-configuration/toggle: No toggling
  console-setup/fontsize-text47: 8x16
* keyboard-configuration/variantcode: altgr-intl
  console-setup/use_system_font:
* keyboard-configuration/modelcode: macbook79
* keyboard-configuration/optionscode: terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp
* keyboard-configuration/compose: No compose key
* keyboard-configuration/model: MacBook/MacBook Pro (Intl)
* keyboard-configuration/variant: Anglais (US) - Anglais (touches mortes 
internationales via AltGr)