Bug#864035: deb.debian.org should be used throughout
Paul Gevers wrote: >> Do we recommend using deb.debian.org as the default in >> /etc/apt/sources.list (I think so)? If so, is that documented somewhere? >> >> I think people that upgrade may have older entries and I think we should >> suggest them to migrate, no? Where to find an authoritative answer? > > What do you think of the attached patch? It needs a couple of trivial language fixes, but it also runs into bug #864017. Oh - okay, while I was writing this you've commented on that one, so I'll reply separately on that topic. I would also suggest that we should reserve markup like apt for cases where we actually mean the package "apt", as opposed to the package-management infrastructure in general (aka "APT"). > diff --git a/en/upgrading.dbk b/en/upgrading.dbk > index b779789f..f64458ca 100644 > --- a/en/upgrading.dbk > +++ b/en/upgrading.dbk > @@ -476,14 +476,33 @@ $ apt-forktracer | sort > > > Adding APT Internet sources > - > - TODO: [elbrus, 2019]: we now have deb.debian.org. This section could > do with > - some minor updates regarding using that. > - > > - The default configuration is set up for installation from the main > Debian Internet > - servers, but you may wish to modify > /etc/apt/sources.list > - to use other mirrors, preferably a mirror that is closest to you in > network terms. > + The default configuration is set up for installation from the > + apt CDN service, so on new installations you should always be getting > + packages from a server near you. As this is a relative new service, you ^ly Slightly confusing use of "installation" in two different senses. On new installations the default is for APT to be set up to use the APT CDN service, which should ensure that packages are automatically downloaded from a server near you in network terms. As this is a relatively new service, older installations > + may have configuration that still points to one of the main > + Internet servers or one of the mirrors. If you haven't done so yet, it > is > + recommended to switch over to the use of the CDN service in your apt > + configuration. > + > + > + To use the CDN service with role="package">apt, ^^^ > + you add this line to your /etc/apt/sources.list > file ^^^ > + (assuming you are using main and > + contrib): > + I would recommend just: To make use of the CDN service, add a line like this to your APT source configuration (assuming you are using main and contrib): > +deb http://deb.debian.org/debian main > contrib (Yet another interacting change: we want people to start using HTTPS! But it's much simpler to recommend that as a *post*-upgrade change.) > + > + After adding your new sources, disable the previously existing > + deb lines in > + sources.list by placing a hash sign > + (#) in front of them. If they've already got the right file open, there's no need to repeat what might be a confusing filename. After adding your new sources, disable the previously existing deb lines by placing a hash sign (#) in front of them. > + > + > + Normally using the CDN service provides you with the best performance, > + however you may wish to modify sources.list to use > + one of the mirrors, preferably a mirror that is closest to you in > network > + terms. The advantages normally expected from deb.debian.org are something that should be explained above, not here - what we should be giving here is some hint at the circumstances that might lead a user to pick the non-default option. However, if you get better results using a specific mirror that is close to you in network terms, this option is still available. > > >Debian mirror addresses can be found at @@ -502,8 +521,10 @@ $ apt-forktracer | sort > > /debian/dists//contrib/binary-/... > > > - To use this mirror with apt, > you add this line to your > - sources.list file: > + To use this mirror with apt, > you > + add this line to your sources.list file (again, To configure APT to use a given mirror, add a line like this (again, > + assuming you are using main and > + contrib): > > deb /debian main > contrib > > @@ -511,9 +532,8 @@ $ apt-forktracer | sort >after the release name are used to expand the path into multiple > directories. > > > - After adding your new sources, disable the previously existing > - deb lines in > sources.list by placing a > - hash sign (#) in front of them. > + Again, after adding your new sources, disable the
Bug#864035: deb.debian.org should be used throughout
Control: tags -1 patch Hi Adrian, all, On 23-03-2019 22:29, Paul Gevers wrote: > On Sat, 03 Jun 2017 17:14:18 +0300 Adrian Bunk wrote: >> "4.3.1. Adding APT Internet sources" is using mirrors >> instead of deb.debian.org which should be used by default >> (see section 2.2.5.). > > Do we recommend using deb.debian.org as the default in > /etc/apt/sources.list (I think so)? If so, is that documented somewhere? > > I think people that upgrade may have older entries and I think we should > suggest them to migrate, no? Where to find an authoritative answer? What do you think of the attached patch? Paul From 92aa94112368b4fcc69218fcba3507b25d42af21 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Paul Gevers Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 17:19:40 +0100 Subject: [PATCH] Recommend use of deb.debian.org instead of the mirrors Closes: #864035 --- en/upgrading.dbk | 44 release-notes.ent | 1 - 2 files changed, 32 insertions(+), 13 deletions(-) diff --git a/en/upgrading.dbk b/en/upgrading.dbk index b779789f..f64458ca 100644 --- a/en/upgrading.dbk +++ b/en/upgrading.dbk @@ -476,14 +476,33 @@ $ apt-forktracer | sort Adding APT Internet sources - - TODO: [elbrus, 2019]: we now have deb.debian.org. This section could do with - some minor updates regarding using that. - - The default configuration is set up for installation from the main Debian Internet - servers, but you may wish to modify /etc/apt/sources.list - to use other mirrors, preferably a mirror that is closest to you in network terms. + The default configuration is set up for installation from the + apt CDN service, so on new installations you should always be getting + packages from a server near you. As this is a relative new service, you + may have configuration that still points to one of the main + Internet servers or one of the mirrors. If you haven't done so yet, it is + recommended to switch over to the use of the CDN service in your apt + configuration. + + + To use the CDN service with apt, + you add this line to your /etc/apt/sources.list file + (assuming you are using main and + contrib): + +deb http://deb.debian.org/debian main contrib + + After adding your new sources, disable the previously existing + deb lines in + sources.list by placing a hash sign + (#) in front of them. + + + Normally using the CDN service provides you with the best performance, + however you may wish to modify sources.list to use + one of the mirrors, preferably a mirror that is closest to you in network + terms. Debian mirror addresses can be found at - To use this mirror with apt, you add this line to your - sources.list file: + To use this mirror with apt, you + add this line to your sources.list file (again, + assuming you are using main and + contrib): deb /debian main contrib @@ -511,9 +532,8 @@ $ apt-forktracer | sort after the release name are used to expand the path into multiple directories. - After adding your new sources, disable the previously existing - deb lines in sources.list by placing a - hash sign (#) in front of them. + Again, after adding your new sources, disable the previously existing + deb lines. diff --git a/release-notes.ent b/release-notes.ent index 6d350512..7cbb2bee 100644 --- a/release-notes.ent +++ b/release-notes.ent @@ -46,7 +46,6 @@ Remember, this is XML; the *first* definition of an ENTITY wins. https://lists.debian.org/;> https://www.debian.org/distrib/ftplist;> - http://mirrors.kernel.org;> http://www.oftc.net/;> -- 2.20.1 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Bug#864035: deb.debian.org should be used throughout
Control: tags -1 moreinfo Hi Adrian, On Sat, 03 Jun 2017 17:14:18 +0300 Adrian Bunk wrote: > "4.3.1. Adding APT Internet sources" is using mirrors > instead of deb.debian.org which should be used by default > (see section 2.2.5.). Do we recommend using deb.debian.org as the default in /etc/apt/sources.list (I think so)? If so, is that documented somewhere? I think people that upgrade may have older entries and I think we should suggest them to migrate, no? Where to find an authoritative answer? Paul signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Bug#864035: deb.debian.org should be used throughout
Package: release-notes Severity: normal "4.3.1. Adding APT Internet sources" is using mirrors instead of deb.debian.org which should be used by default (see section 2.2.5.).
