Bug#893563: whiptail has priority important

2018-03-22 Thread Sven Joachim 
On 2018-03-22 10:57 +, Alastair McKinstry wrote:

> On 21/03/2018 20:17, Sven Joachim wrote:
>> The problem is that debconf uses whiptail as its default frontend, but
>> does _not_ depend on it, so that it does not need to be installed in
>> build chroots which normally use the "noninteractive" debconf frontend.
>>
>> For a usable debconf, you really need whiptail or dialog (or one of the
>> graphical frontends, but those have many additional dependencies and
>> require X).  See debconf(7).
> Interesting corner case. Wouldn't setting Recommends: whiptail | dialog
> on debconf fix this ?

Unfortunately it would not.  Being part of the base system, debconf is
installed by debootstrap, and debootstrap's simplistic resolver
completely ignores Recommends.

Cheers,
   Sven

Bug#893563: whiptail has priority important

2018-03-22 Thread Alastair McKinstry 


On 21/03/2018 20:17, Sven Joachim wrote:
> On 2018-03-19 22:34 +0100, Christian Göttsche wrote:
>
>> Package: whiptail
>> Version: 0.52.20-3
>> Severity: wishlist
>>
>> Could you consider lowering the priority of whiptail from important to 
>> standard?
> This has been done in the latest upload, but
>
> a) Priorities are set by the FTP masters, so the change has no effect.
Yes, no effect until the FTP masters change priorities.
> b) It does not look quite correct to me
> The problem is that debconf uses whiptail as its default frontend, but
> does _not_ depend on it, so that it does not need to be installed in
> build chroots which normally use the "noninteractive" debconf frontend.
>
> For a usable debconf, you really need whiptail or dialog (or one of the
> graphical frontends, but those have many additional dependencies and
> require X).  See debconf(7).
Interesting corner case. Wouldn't setting Recommends: whiptail | dialog
on debconf fix this ?

> Cheers,
>Sven

Regards
Alastair

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Bug#893563: whiptail has priority important

2018-03-21 Thread Sven Joachim 
On 2018-03-19 22:34 +0100, Christian Göttsche wrote:

> Package: whiptail
> Version: 0.52.20-3
> Severity: wishlist
>
> Could you consider lowering the priority of whiptail from important to 
> standard?

This has been done in the latest upload, but

a) Priorities are set by the FTP masters, so the change has no effect.
b) It does not look quite correct to me.

> Packages using whiptail should depend on it and the change would help
> keeping minimal systems clean.

The problem is that debconf uses whiptail as its default frontend, but
does _not_ depend on it, so that it does not need to be installed in
build chroots which normally use the "noninteractive" debconf frontend.

For a usable debconf, you really need whiptail or dialog (or one of the
graphical frontends, but those have many additional dependencies and
require X).  See debconf(7).

Cheers,
   Sven

Bug#893563: whiptail has priority important

2018-03-19 Thread Christian Göttsche 
Package: whiptail
Version: 0.52.20-3
Severity: wishlist

Could you consider lowering the priority of whiptail from important to standard?
Packages using whiptail should depend on it and the change would help
keeping minimal systems clean.