Bug#897120: Maintainer address is broken and team mailinglist is needed

[Jens Reyer]

Hi all,

On 4/28/18 5:46 PM, Jens Reyer wrote:

A1) @lists.debian.org

Since the mailing list is also for discussion and coordination (not only 
automatic mails) I think we qualify to use e.g.


  wine-team@lists.d.o


I filed #898066 against lists.debian.org, starting a request for a 
debian-wine list.  Every interested person (maintainer, upstream 
developer, user, ...) should state that by sending a mail to the bug. 
Or if you object this list for whatever reason, please also tell so.





A2) alioth-lists.debian.net

There's also the mailing list continuation service (we missed the 
deadline and did not opt in):


  https://alioth-lists.debian.net/
  https://wiki.debian.org/Alioth/MailingListContinuation

I do not know if we could still use it (I'd prefer wine-team@l.d.o anyway).


According to a mail to debian-devel[1] it is still possible to opt-in:

"Migrate the list the new system. This is still possible, please appoint 
a Debian developer as a list owner first, then contact the alioth lists 
migration team  and provide all the 
necessary information."


Since I don't know if we get a list at lists.d.o, and how long that 
would take, I guess we should do this.


Note: there's also #alioth-lists on irc.debian.org to contact the admins.

[1] "MBF: Defunct alioth addresses in the Maintainer: field (serious)", 
alioth-mbf-maintai...@msgid.manchmal.in-ulm.de





A3) salsa.d.o

Mike already created the "wine-team" at salsa.d.o.  [Thanks for adding 
me, whoever it was.].  I still need to investigate if this offers some 
good way of team communication, and how this works with the single 
package projects at salsa.  So I don't know if this could replace the 
need for a "real" mailing list.


I found nothing useful for team communication.




A4) tracker.d.o

We may also create a team at tracker.d.o.  Again, I don't know exactly 
what benefits this has, and how mail works with teams there.


Emails sent to team+@tracker.debian.org are discarded (#891504).

Once fixed this could be used for team communication, but team mails are 
not archived yet (https://salsa.debian.org/qa/distro-tracker/issues/14).


Further issues:
- Ownership can't be changed (#889163, Better team management)
- Bounce handler should manage team subscriptions too 
(https://salsa.debian.org/qa/distro-tracker/issues/12)


So a tracker.d.o team is not a replacement for the need of an 
mailinglist (yet), but useful generally in the long run with further 
tracker improvements.


Greets
jre

Bug#897120: Maintainer address is broken and team mailinglist is needed

[Jens Reyer]

Package: src:wine
Version: 3.6-1
Severity: important


Hi,

so pkg-wine-pa...@lists.alioth.debian.org doesn't work anymore since 
about 2 weeks.  The new maintainer address in wine's maintainer field


 w...@tracker.debian.org

also doesn't work.  Although I'm subscribed to the wine package at 
tracker.debian.org I do not receive mails sent there.




A) Possible solutions


A0) Short-term solution per package

 dispatch+$p...@tracker.debian.org

I've used dispatch+w...@tracker.debian.org in the x-debbugs-cc of this 
bug and it hopefully works. Since I do not know if the other maintainers 
are also subscribed to wine at tracker.d.o I also added their personal 
addresses explicitly there.
Documentation is at 
https://qa.pages.debian.net/distro-tracker/about.html#email-interface.


Now, I'd like to find a real team address again, which suits for the 
multiple packages (wine, wine-development, wine-gecko-X, winetricks,

exe-thumbnailer, anything-else?).
It should fit the needs of maintainers, other interested parties (e.g. 
upstream) and users.




A1) @lists.debian.org

Since the mailing list is also for discussion and coordination (not only 
automatic mails) I think we qualify to use e.g.


 wine-team@lists.d.o



A2) alioth-lists.debian.net

There's also the mailing list continuation service (we missed the 
deadline and did not opt in):


 https://alioth-lists.debian.net/
 https://wiki.debian.org/Alioth/MailingListContinuation

I do not know if we could still use it (I'd prefer wine-team@l.d.o anyway).



A3) salsa.d.o

Mike already created the "wine-team" at salsa.d.o.  [Thanks for adding 
me, whoever it was.].  I still need to investigate if this offers some 
good way of team communication, and how this works with the single 
package projects at salsa.  So I don't know if this could replace the 
need for a "real" mailing list.




A4) tracker.d.o

We may also create a team at tracker.d.o.  Again, I don't know exactly 
what benefits this has, and how mail works with teams there.





B) Subscribers

Currently people not too deeply involved in Debian will have no clue at 
all what happened, if they noticed anything at all.  Once we have a new 
team communication setup again, we should transfer all old subscribers 
there, or at least notify them.  Is there a way to get the list of the 
old subscribers (I'm neither the owner of the old mailinglist, nor am I 
a DD)?





C) Team name

Previously we were the "Debian Wine Party".  I don't mind at all to 
discard the "Party" from the name.


Currently we have these:

https://salsa.debian.org/debian/wine
Debian Wine Packages

https://salsa.debian.org/wine-team/wine
Debian Wine Packaging

debian/control.in
Debian Wine Party

Not sure if "Debian Wine Packaging" is the new "official" name, or only 
the description.  I'd be fine with that, although imo it's a bit to 
narrow for all related tasks.  I'd suggest "Debian Wine Team" in case we 
need a name somewhere.



And related: we also need to migrate all "other" team git repositories. 
Any existing plans here?



Greets and hoping for much feedback
jre