Bug#900576: live-task-recommended: dependency on calamares brings in qt dependencies in every image
Hi Jonathan, On 01/06/18 16:19, Jonathan Carter wrote: >> Jonathan did ask about this on irc and I suggested he go ahead and >> experiment. Apologies - I should have told him to talk to you/Ana >> specifically as well. > > Yeah I brought it up on both the debian-live mailing list and irc > channel a few times, and there were no objections and some interest in > trying it out. You did not reach out to the named uploader on the package. While it's a team package, the named uploaders serve as useful points of contact that understand the package and how it fits with the wider ecosystem. > I admit I could've communicated both my intentions and those changes better. My suggestion would be to send Ana an email with what it is you're trying to achieve and what your end goal is. She can then advise on the best way to achieve it. > Which console-only images are affected by this? Do you mind pointing me > to them? The intention is that the live-tasks-recommended package should be installable regardless of desktop environment, or lack thereof. You should decide which desktop environments should use the new package, and which would not benefit from it. If all graphical desktop environments would benefit from it, then Ana would be able to advise on the best metapackage to add this to, or how to better integrate the changes. Note that currently the installer is not included in live-tasks at all and is included separately in live-wrapper. I feel that this inclusion is being rushed. From quickly skimming related webpages it looks like it may offer a UX improvement, but (IMO) we should commit to only shipping one installer. Shipping two doubles the support workload, QA workload, etc. Thanks, Iain. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Bug#900576: live-task-recommended: dependency on calamares brings in qt dependencies in every image
On 01/06/2018 17:05, Steve McIntyre wrote: >> Jonathan Carter has recently uploaded version 0.4 for >> live-tasks that contains a change adding calamares to all live images. >> The primary complaint in this bug report is that this has now introduced >> Qt dependencies for every image where they previously did not exist, >> including console only images. > > Hmmm, that's not ideal. It was also not intended to go on any console-only images. I'll correct that. >> Further, I do not believe that any consultation was made with debian-cd, >> debian-boot, or the named Uploader for this package. There was no bug >> filed for this discussion either. > > Jonathan did ask about this on irc and I suggested he go ahead and > experiment. Apologies - I should have told him to talk to you/Ana > specifically as well. Yeah I brought it up on both the debian-live mailing list and irc channel a few times, and there were no objections and some interest in trying it out. I admit I could've communicated both my intentions and those changes better. Which console-only images are affected by this? Do you mind pointing me to them? -Jonathan -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ Jonathan Carter (highvoltage) ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian Developer - https://wiki.debian.org/highvoltage ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋ https://debian.org | https://jonathancarter.org ⠈⠳⣄ Be Bold. Be brave. Debian has got your back.
Bug#900576: live-task-recommended: dependency on calamares brings in qt dependencies in every image
>> The primary complaint in this bug report is that this has now introduced >> Qt dependencies for every image where they previously did not exist, >> including console only images. > > Hmmm, that's not ideal. But it should™ be not a big deal - the only thing that might hurt is the increased image size. I had the very same discussion in siduction two years ago - so what really happend? 1. A few installed packages more in a live iso that comes before without an installer - no big deal. 2. If installed with d-i no bad things happend. 3. If installed with calamares: At the end of the installation calamares will be removed (including all packages that are not needed without) - so also no big deal. 4. Increased disc size: ok, might hurt if there are images that are to big for a normal medium. Calamares and it's dependencies should not be installed at a normal minimmal console live image - that would be nuts. Cheers Alf signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Bug#900576: live-task-recommended: dependency on calamares brings in qt dependencies in every image
Hi Iain! On Fri, Jun 01, 2018 at 03:35:52PM +0100, Iain R. Learmonth wrote: >Package: live-task-recommended >Severity: normal > >Hi, > >Jonathan Carter has recently uploaded version 0.4 for >live-tasks that contains a change adding calamares to all live images. >The primary complaint in this bug report is that this has now introduced >Qt dependencies for every image where they previously did not exist, >including console only images. Hmmm, that's not ideal. >Further, I do not believe that any consultation was made with debian-cd, >debian-boot, or the named Uploader for this package. There was no bug >filed for this discussion either. Jonathan did ask about this on irc and I suggested he go ahead and experiment. Apologies - I should have told him to talk to you/Ana specifically as well. -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com "Yes, of course duct tape works in a near-vacuum. Duct tape works anywhere. Duct tape is magic and should be worshipped." -― Andy Weir, "The Martian"
Bug#900576: live-task-recommended: dependency on calamares brings in qt dependencies in every image
Package: live-task-recommended Severity: normal Hi, Jonathan Carter has recently uploaded version 0.4 for live-tasks that contains a change adding calamares to all live images. The primary complaint in this bug report is that this has now introduced Qt dependencies for every image where they previously did not exist, including console only images. Further, I do not believe that any consultation was made with debian-cd, debian-boot, or the named Uploader for this package. There was no bug filed for this discussion either. Thanks, Iain.
