Bug#905411: New list creation: debian-fundraising
On 2018-10-04 1:28 p.m., Alexander Wirt wrote: > On Wed, 03 Oct 2018, Louis-Philippe Véronneau wrote: > >> On 2018-10-03 1:30 p.m., Hanno 'Rince' Wagner wrote: >>> Hi Louis-Philippe! >>> >>> On Wed, 29 Aug 2018, Louis-Philippe Véronneau wrote: >>> Any news regarding the creation of this ML? I know you said 'This has to be discussed within the team.', but it's been a month and it's hard to go forward with this project if we don't have a platform to discuss on... >>> >>> I am sorry that this has been delayed. >>> Is the answer to our request of a closed ML from listmasters is a strait 'No'? >>> >>> our experience is that closed lists make much more work than it is >>> worth. I do not know your reasoning for a closed list - just >>> confidentiality or more - but we would prefer an open list since this >>> is just easier to maintain. >>> If that is the only blocker for the creation of that mailing list, I guess we can work on an open ML for now. I don't think we'll be dealing with sponsors directly for the next year anyway. >>> >>> Okay, then If you agree to this, I can create that list without an >>> archive. so please confirm that the list can be open. >>> >>> best regards, Hanno Wagner, Listmaster of the day >>> >> >> I don't think we will discuss confidential sponsor infos on that list >> for now, as we are only starting the process. >> >> An open list without archive thus suits me just fine. >> >> Thanks for your work maintaining the lists! > By the way, what differentates that list from debconf-sponsoring? Why do you > need two lists that do more or less the same? DebConf sponsorship is a list dedicated to the day to day activities of the DebConf sponsorship team. The idea behind the Debian Fundraising list is to try to to come up with a unified fundraising plan for Debian, that would eventually include DebConf, but also other teams in Debian such as DSA and other teams that need funding. A few of us have been talking about this for a while and during a BoF at DebConf18 we agreed having a mailing list would help us go forward with this. We wanted a second list not to hinder the DC19 fundraising efforts. -- ,''`. : :' : Louis-Philippe Véronneau `. `'` po...@debian.org / veronneau.org `- signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Bug#905411: New list creation: debian-fundraising
On Wed, 03 Oct 2018, Louis-Philippe Véronneau wrote: > On 2018-10-03 1:30 p.m., Hanno 'Rince' Wagner wrote: > > Hi Louis-Philippe! > > > > On Wed, 29 Aug 2018, Louis-Philippe Véronneau wrote: > > > >> Any news regarding the creation of this ML? > >> > >> I know you said 'This has to be discussed within the team.', but it's > >> been a month and it's hard to go forward with this project if we don't > >> have a platform to discuss on... > > > > I am sorry that this has been delayed. > > > >> Is the answer to our request of a closed ML from listmasters is a strait > >> 'No'? > > > > our experience is that closed lists make much more work than it is > > worth. I do not know your reasoning for a closed list - just > > confidentiality or more - but we would prefer an open list since this > > is just easier to maintain. > > > >> If that is the only blocker for the creation of that mailing list, I > >> guess we can work on an open ML for now. I don't think we'll be dealing > >> with sponsors directly for the next year anyway. > > > > Okay, then If you agree to this, I can create that list without an > > archive. so please confirm that the list can be open. > > > > best regards, Hanno Wagner, Listmaster of the day > > > > I don't think we will discuss confidential sponsor infos on that list > for now, as we are only starting the process. > > An open list without archive thus suits me just fine. > > Thanks for your work maintaining the lists! By the way, what differentates that list from debconf-sponsoring? Why do you need two lists that do more or less the same? Alex signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Bug#905411: New list creation: debian-fundraising
On 2018-10-03 1:30 p.m., Hanno 'Rince' Wagner wrote: > Hi Louis-Philippe! > > On Wed, 29 Aug 2018, Louis-Philippe Véronneau wrote: > >> Any news regarding the creation of this ML? >> >> I know you said 'This has to be discussed within the team.', but it's >> been a month and it's hard to go forward with this project if we don't >> have a platform to discuss on... > > I am sorry that this has been delayed. > >> Is the answer to our request of a closed ML from listmasters is a strait >> 'No'? > > our experience is that closed lists make much more work than it is > worth. I do not know your reasoning for a closed list - just > confidentiality or more - but we would prefer an open list since this > is just easier to maintain. > >> If that is the only blocker for the creation of that mailing list, I >> guess we can work on an open ML for now. I don't think we'll be dealing >> with sponsors directly for the next year anyway. > > Okay, then If you agree to this, I can create that list without an > archive. so please confirm that the list can be open. > > best regards, Hanno Wagner, Listmaster of the day > I don't think we will discuss confidential sponsor infos on that list for now, as we are only starting the process. An open list without archive thus suits me just fine. Thanks for your work maintaining the lists! -- ,''`. : :' : Louis-Philippe Véronneau `. `'` po...@debian.org / veronneau.org `- signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Bug#905411: New list creation: debian-fundraising
Hi! Any news regarding the creation of this ML? I know you said 'This has to be discussed within the team.', but it's been a month and it's hard to go forward with this project if we don't have a platform to discuss on... Is the answer to our request of a closed ML from listmasters is a strait 'No'? If that is the only blocker for the creation of that mailing list, I guess we can work on an open ML for now. I don't think we'll be dealing with sponsors directly for the next year anyway. Cheers, -- ,''`. : :' : Louis-Philippe Véronneau `. `'` po...@debian.org / veronneau.org `- On Sat, 4 Aug 2018 18:53:10 +0200 Alexander Wirt wrote: > On Sat, 04 Aug 2018, Louis-Philippe Véronneau wrote: > > > On 2018-08-04 18:58, Alexander Wirt wrote: > > >> Subscription Policy: closed, manual approval. We don't want random > > >> people to subscribe to this ML. This list will eventually be used to > > >> talk about confidential discussions we've had with sponsors. > > > in general I can say that we had bad experiences with such closes lists > > > and > > > that we don't want them. This has to be discussed within the team. I also > > > think debian should be more transparent. > > > > By 'random', I meant people not part of the Debian project. Bad choice > > of language on my end, sorry. > users are also part of the project. > > > > > Is there a way to make the subscription only available to DDs/DMs? I > > wouldn't mind that. > No, we don't have such a mechanism. > > Alex > > > > -- > > ,''`. > > : :' : Louis-Philippe Véronneau > > `. `'` po...@debian.org / veronneau.org > >`- > > > > > signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Bug#905411: New list creation: debian-fundraising
On Sat, 04 Aug 2018, Louis-Philippe Véronneau wrote: > On 2018-08-04 18:58, Alexander Wirt wrote: > >> Subscription Policy: closed, manual approval. We don't want random > >> people to subscribe to this ML. This list will eventually be used to > >> talk about confidential discussions we've had with sponsors. > > in general I can say that we had bad experiences with such closes lists and > > that we don't want them. This has to be discussed within the team. I also > > think debian should be more transparent. > > By 'random', I meant people not part of the Debian project. Bad choice > of language on my end, sorry. users are also part of the project. > > Is there a way to make the subscription only available to DDs/DMs? I > wouldn't mind that. No, we don't have such a mechanism. Alex > > -- > ,''`. > : :' : Louis-Philippe Véronneau > `. `'` po...@debian.org / veronneau.org >`- > signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Bug#905411: New list creation: debian-fundraising
On 2018-08-04 18:58, Alexander Wirt wrote: >> Subscription Policy: closed, manual approval. We don't want random >> people to subscribe to this ML. This list will eventually be used to >> talk about confidential discussions we've had with sponsors. > in general I can say that we had bad experiences with such closes lists and > that we don't want them. This has to be discussed within the team. I also > think debian should be more transparent. By 'random', I meant people not part of the Debian project. Bad choice of language on my end, sorry. Is there a way to make the subscription only available to DDs/DMs? I wouldn't mind that. -- ,''`. : :' : Louis-Philippe Véronneau `. `'` po...@debian.org / veronneau.org `- signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Bug#905411: New list creation: debian-fundraising
On Sat, 04 Aug 2018, Louis-Philippe Véronneau wrote: > Package: list.debian.org > Severity: wishlist > > Name: debian-fundraising > > Rationale: We have a mailing list for the DebConf fundraising, but we > have been talking about merging into a larger Debian fundraising team. A > BoF at DebConf18 concluded we needed a space to talk about this some more. > > Short description: Debian fundraising efforts > > Category: Miscellaneous Debian > > Subscription Policy: closed, manual approval. We don't want random > people to subscribe to this ML. This list will eventually be used to > talk about confidential discussions we've had with sponsors. in general I can say that we had bad experiences with such closes lists and that we don't want them. This has to be discussed within the team. I also think debian should be more transparent. Alex signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Bug#905411: New list creation: debian-fundraising
Package: list.debian.org Severity: wishlist Name: debian-fundraising Rationale: We have a mailing list for the DebConf fundraising, but we have been talking about merging into a larger Debian fundraising team. A BoF at DebConf18 concluded we needed a space to talk about this some more. Short description: Debian fundraising efforts Category: Miscellaneous Debian Subscription Policy: closed, manual approval. We don't want random people to subscribe to this ML. This list will eventually be used to talk about confidential discussions we've had with sponsors. Moderators: * Louis-Philippe Véronneau - po...@debian.org * Daniel Lange - dla...@debian.org Web Archive: no. This list will eventually be used to talk about confidential discussions we've had with sponsors. Initial subscription list: * Louis-Philippe Véronneau, po...@debian.org * Daniel Lange, dla...@debian.org * Steve McIntyre, sa...@debian.org * Luca Filipozzi, lfili...@debian.org * Giacomo Catenazzi, c...@debian.org * Laura Arjona Reina, larj...@debian.org * Hector Oron, zu...@debian.org Thanks! -- ,''`. : :' : Louis-Philippe Véronneau `. `'` po...@debian.org / veronneau.org `- signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
