Bug#913659: Document that not all bugs are policy violations
On Fri, 16 Nov 2018, Sean Whitton wrote: > On Fri 16 Nov 2018 at 12:22PM -0200, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > > How about also adding one that makes it clear that in *Debian*, policy > > follows practice, and not the other way around (which should also > > require seconds just to make sure people agree with this, even if it is > > a decades-long practice in debian-policy)... > > This is already there, in § 1.3.3 Not in such a clearly stated form, but yeah. Anyway, that was a passing comment, it is off-topic on this bug report, and for that I apologise... -- Henrique Holschuh
Bug#913659: Document that not all bugs are policy violations
Hello, On Fri 16 Nov 2018 at 12:22PM -0200, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > How about also adding one that makes it clear that in *Debian*, policy > follows practice, and not the other way around (which should also > require seconds just to make sure people agree with this, even if it is > a decades-long practice in debian-policy)... This is already there, in § 1.3.3 -- Sean Whitton signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Bug#913659: Document that not all bugs are policy violations
On Fri, 2018-11-16 at 12:22:35 -0200, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > How about also adding one that makes it clear that in *Debian*, policy > follows practice, and not the other way around (which should also > require seconds just to make sure people agree with this, even if it is > a decades-long practice in debian-policy)... Not always, two cases that quickly come to mind are the nocheck and terse DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS. Thanks, Guillem
Bug#913659: Document that not all bugs are policy violations
On Tue, 13 Nov 2018, Ian Jackson wrote: > Package: debian-policy > Version: 4.2.1.4 > > The discussion in #913572 is just another instance of the following > antipattern: > >Submitter: program X does strange thing Y which is undesirable >Maintainer: Y is not against policy > > I suggest adding something like this to s1.1, "Scope", as a new 3rd > paragraph: > > This manual cannot and does not prohibit every possible bug or > undesirable behaviour. The fact that something is not forbidden by > Debian policy does not mean that it is not a bug, let alone that it > is desirable. Questions not covered by policy should be evaluated > on their merits. Seconded. How about also adding one that makes it clear that in *Debian*, policy follows practice, and not the other way around (which should also require seconds just to make sure people agree with this, even if it is a decades-long practice in debian-policy)... -- Henrique Holschuh signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Bug#913659: Document that not all bugs are policy violations
On Tue, 13 Nov 2018 19:11:02 -0700, Sean Whitton wrote: > On Tue 13 Nov 2018 at 05:51PM GMT, Ian Jackson wrote: > > I suggest adding something like this to s1.1, "Scope", as a new 3rd > > paragraph: > > > > This manual cannot and does not prohibit every possible bug or > > undesirable behaviour. The fact that something is not forbidden by > > Debian policy does not mean that it is not a bug, let alone that it > > is desirable. Questions not covered by policy should be evaluated > > on their merits. > > Good idea. > > This seems strictly informative rather than normative, but I'd like to > see some reviews/seconds so that we can confirm that this is how the > wider project understands the role of the Policy Manual. > > (If no seconds but also no objections are forthcoming, I'll just apply > it as an informative change.) This sounds good to me. I concur that this is probably just informative but in case it's considered normative: 'seconded'. Cheers, gregor -- .''`. https://info.comodo.priv.at -- Debian Developer https://www.debian.org : :' : OpenPGP fingerprint D1E1 316E 93A7 60A8 104D 85FA BB3A 6801 8649 AA06 `. `' Member VIBE!AT & SPI Inc. -- Supporter Free Software Foundation Europe `- NP: Treibhaus: Gianni Coscia/Glianluigi Trove signature.asc Description: Digital Signature
Bug#913659: Document that not all bugs are policy violations
On Tue, Nov 13, 2018 at 05:51:15PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: > I suggest adding something like this to s1.1, "Scope", as a new 3rd > paragraph: > > This manual cannot and does not prohibit every possible bug or > undesirable behaviour. The fact that something is not forbidden by > Debian policy does not mean that it is not a bug, let alone that it > is desirable. Questions not covered by policy should be evaluated > on their merits. looks good to me, seconded, thanks. -- cheers, Holger --- holger@(debian|reproducible-builds|layer-acht).org PGP fingerprint: B8BF 5413 7B09 D35C F026 FE9D 091A B856 069A AA1C signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Bug#913659: Document that not all bugs are policy violations
Hello Ian, On Tue 13 Nov 2018 at 05:51PM GMT, Ian Jackson wrote: > The discussion in #913572 is just another instance of the following > antipattern: > >Submitter: program X does strange thing Y which is undesirable >Maintainer: Y is not against policy > > I suggest adding something like this to s1.1, "Scope", as a new 3rd > paragraph: > > This manual cannot and does not prohibit every possible bug or > undesirable behaviour. The fact that something is not forbidden by > Debian policy does not mean that it is not a bug, let alone that it > is desirable. Questions not covered by policy should be evaluated > on their merits. Good idea. This seems strictly informative rather than normative, but I'd like to see some reviews/seconds so that we can confirm that this is how the wider project understands the role of the Policy Manual. (If no seconds but also no objections are forthcoming, I'll just apply it as an informative change.) -- Sean Whitton signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Bug#913659: Document that not all bugs are policy violations
Package: debian-policy Version: 4.2.1.4 The discussion in #913572 is just another instance of the following antipattern: Submitter: program X does strange thing Y which is undesirable Maintainer: Y is not against policy I suggest adding something like this to s1.1, "Scope", as a new 3rd paragraph: This manual cannot and does not prohibit every possible bug or undesirable behaviour. The fact that something is not forbidden by Debian policy does not mean that it is not a bug, let alone that it is desirable. Questions not covered by policy should be evaluated on their merits. Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you from an address @fyvzl.net or @evade.org.uk, that is a private address which bypasses my fierce spamfilter.
