Bug#918755: Bug#978158: [upgrade-system] upgrade-system wants to delete package deluge and everything it depends on
As I said, simply adding --no-guess-python to ORPHANOPTS does take care of the immediate problem of wanting to delete deluge, but in exchange, it opens up a potential can of worms when there is a python package that is indeed an orphan, which would then not be deleted by upgrade-system. So, for the time being, I will "err on the side of caution" and add --no-guess-python to ORPHANOPTS. If upgrade-system is as a result less zealous about deleting orphan packages, so be it. I can live with that. If someone wants to track down the underlying cause of deborphan's dislike for python-cffi-backend, I'll be happy to help in any way I can. Rick On Sun, Dec 27, 2020, at 1:02 PM, Martin-Éric Racine wrote: > Right, so in that case, there is no bug in upgrade-system. > > The backend 'deborphan --guess-all' simply makes broad assumptions > about what is superflous libraries and, for some reason, it considers > python-cffi-backend as superflous as explained in bug #918755. > > In your case, the solution indeed is to add --no-guess-python to ORPHANOPTS. > > Martin-Éric
Bug#918755: Bug#978158: Bug#918755: Bug#978158: [upgrade-system] upgrade-system wants to delete package deluge and everything it depends on
su 27. jouluk. 2020 klo 23.27 Chris Hofstaedtler (z...@debian.org) kirjoitti: > * Martin-Éric Racine [201227 22:06]: > > Right, so in that case, there is no bug in upgrade-system. > > In your case, the solution indeed is to add --no-guess-python to ORPHANOPTS. > > > su 27. jouluk. 2020 klo 22.47 Rick Thomas (rick.tho...@pobox.com) kirjoitti: > > > > > > It looks like the problem is in deborphan. /etc/upgrade-system.conf has > > > ORPHANOPTS="--guess-all --libdevel" > > deborphan makes absolutely no promises on which packages it will > return. If upgrade-system uses deborphans output to automatically > remove packages, this is DANGEROUS, to say the least. Please stop the drama. The assumptions for --guess-all generally work well. Meanwhile, you've got two users reporting you a false positive, involving the exact same package as a dependency for 2 different packages. Why don't you focus on fixing that instead? Martin-Éric
Bug#918755: Bug#978158: [upgrade-system] upgrade-system wants to delete package deluge and everything it depends on
Hi, * Martin-Éric Racine [201227 22:06]: > Right, so in that case, there is no bug in upgrade-system. I must disagree, see below. > The backend 'deborphan --guess-all' simply makes broad assumptions > about what is superflous libraries and, for some reason, it considers > python-cffi-backend as superflous as explained in bug #918755. > > In your case, the solution indeed is to add --no-guess-python to ORPHANOPTS. [..] > su 27. jouluk. 2020 klo 22.47 Rick Thomas (rick.tho...@pobox.com) kirjoitti: > > > > It looks like the problem is in deborphan. /etc/upgrade-system.conf has > > ORPHANOPTS="--guess-all --libdevel" deborphan makes absolutely no promises on which packages it will return. If upgrade-system uses deborphans output to automatically remove packages, this is DANGEROUS, to say the least. As said above, deborphan very clearly documents `--guess-*` (that includes `--guess-all`) as "beware when using this!" I believe this is a serious bug in upgrade-system's default configuration. Please stop this. Chris
Bug#918755: Bug#978158: [upgrade-system] upgrade-system wants to delete package deluge and everything it depends on
Right, so in that case, there is no bug in upgrade-system. The backend 'deborphan --guess-all' simply makes broad assumptions about what is superflous libraries and, for some reason, it considers python-cffi-backend as superflous as explained in bug #918755. In your case, the solution indeed is to add --no-guess-python to ORPHANOPTS. Martin-Éric su 27. jouluk. 2020 klo 22.47 Rick Thomas (rick.tho...@pobox.com) kirjoitti: > > It looks like the problem is in deborphan. /etc/upgrade-system.conf has > ORPHANOPTS="--guess-all --libdevel" > > and something about that combination leads deborphan to decide it doesn't > need the package "python-cffi-backend", which is a lineal dependent of > deborphan. The reason that upgrade-system wants to purge deluge is that with > python-cffi-backend gone, deluge is missing a critical dependency. This is > all described Bug#918755 . > > If I add "--no-guess-python" to the option list, deborphan no longer lists > python-cffi-backend, but I'm concerned that doing that will have wider > side-effects. > > Details: > rbthomas@monk:~$ deborphan --guess-all --libdevel > python-cffi-backend > rbthomas@monk:~$ deborphan --guess-all --no-guess-python --libdevel > rbthomas@monk:~$ > > Hope this helps! > Rick > > On Sat, Dec 26, 2020, at 3:03 PM, Martin-Éric Racine wrote: > > la 26. jouluk. 2020 klo 21.30 Rick Thomas (rbtho...@rcthomas.org) kirjoitti: > > > > > > Package: upgrade-system > > > Version: 1.7.3.1 > > > Severity: normal > > > > > > --- Please enter the report below this line. --- > > > > > > The package "deluge" is manually (i.e. not "auto") installed on my > > > system. I use it daily. But when I try to run "upgrade-system" it lists > > > deluge and a bunch of other packages that deluge depends on as needing > > > to be removed. Why is this? > > > > Check the deborphan options you have configured in > > /etc/upgrade-system.conf for something that tries to purge python > > packages. To manually fine-tune this, you can run 'sudo deborphan' > > with different combinations of --guess options. > > > > Martin-Éric > >
Bug#918755: Bug#978158: [upgrade-system] upgrade-system wants to delete package deluge and everything it depends on
It looks like the problem is in deborphan. /etc/upgrade-system.conf has ORPHANOPTS="--guess-all --libdevel" and something about that combination leads deborphan to decide it doesn't need the package "python-cffi-backend", which is a lineal dependent of deborphan. The reason that upgrade-system wants to purge deluge is that with python-cffi-backend gone, deluge is missing a critical dependency. This is all described Bug#918755 . If I add "--no-guess-python" to the option list, deborphan no longer lists python-cffi-backend, but I'm concerned that doing that will have wider side-effects. Details: rbthomas@monk:~$ deborphan --guess-all --libdevel python-cffi-backend rbthomas@monk:~$ deborphan --guess-all --no-guess-python --libdevel rbthomas@monk:~$ Hope this helps! Rick On Sat, Dec 26, 2020, at 3:03 PM, Martin-Éric Racine wrote: > la 26. jouluk. 2020 klo 21.30 Rick Thomas (rbtho...@rcthomas.org) kirjoitti: > > > > Package: upgrade-system > > Version: 1.7.3.1 > > Severity: normal > > > > --- Please enter the report below this line. --- > > > > The package "deluge" is manually (i.e. not "auto") installed on my > > system. I use it daily. But when I try to run "upgrade-system" it lists > > deluge and a bunch of other packages that deluge depends on as needing > > to be removed. Why is this? > > Check the deborphan options you have configured in > /etc/upgrade-system.conf for something that tries to purge python > packages. To manually fine-tune this, you can run 'sudo deborphan' > with different combinations of --guess options. > > Martin-Éric >
Bug#978158: [upgrade-system] upgrade-system wants to delete package deluge and everything it depends on
la 26. jouluk. 2020 klo 21.30 Rick Thomas (rbtho...@rcthomas.org) kirjoitti: > > Package: upgrade-system > Version: 1.7.3.1 > Severity: normal > > --- Please enter the report below this line. --- > > The package "deluge" is manually (i.e. not "auto") installed on my > system. I use it daily. But when I try to run "upgrade-system" it lists > deluge and a bunch of other packages that deluge depends on as needing > to be removed. Why is this? Check the deborphan options you have configured in /etc/upgrade-system.conf for something that tries to purge python packages. To manually fine-tune this, you can run 'sudo deborphan' with different combinations of --guess options. Martin-Éric
Bug#978158: [upgrade-system] upgrade-system wants to delete package deluge and everything it depends on
Package: upgrade-system Version: 1.7.3.1 Severity: normal --- Please enter the report below this line. --- The package "deluge" is manually (i.e. not "auto") installed on my system. I use it daily. But when I try to run "upgrade-system" it lists deluge and a bunch of other packages that deluge depends on as needing to be removed. Why is this? Details: rbthomas@monk:~$ aptitude search deluge i deluge - bittorrent client written in Python/PyGTK i A deluge-common - bittorrent client written in Python/PyGTK (common files) i deluge-console - bittorrent client written in Python/PyGTK (console ui) i A deluge-gtk - bittorrent client written in Python/PyGTK (GTK+ ui) p deluge-torrent - bittorrent client (gtk ui transitional package) i deluge-web - bittorrent client written in Python/PyGTK (web ui) p deluge-webui - bittorrent client (web ui transitional package) i deluged - bittorrent client written in Python/PyGTK (daemon) rbthomas@monk:~$ sudo upgrade-system 1) Updating package lists: I: Package lists updated. 2) Checking for upgradable packages: I: No upgradable package to install. 3) Checking for orphan packages: I: Purging orphan packages... Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following packages will be REMOVED: deluge* deluge-common* deluge-console* deluge-gtk* deluge-web* deluged* libboost-python1.67.0* libboost-random1.67.0* libglade2-0* libmad0* libmikmod3* libportmidi0* libsdl-image1.2* libsdl-mixer1.2* libsdl2-2.0-0* libtorrent-rasterbar9* python-asn1crypto* python-attr* python-automat* python-cffi-backend* python-chardet* python-click* python-colorama* python-constantly* python-cryptography* python-glade2* python-hyperlink* python-idna* python-incremental* python-ipaddress* python-libtorrent* python-mako* python-markupsafe* python-notify* python-openssl* python-pyasn1* python-pyasn1-modules* python-pygame* python-service-identity* python-six* python-twisted-bin* python-twisted-core* python-xdg* python-zope.interface* 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 44 to remove and 0 not upgraded. After this operation, 43.5 MB disk space will be freed. Do you want to continue? [Y/n] N --- System information. --- Architecture: Kernel: Linux 4.19.0-13-amd64 Debian Release: 10.7 500 stable-updates ftp-osl.osuosl.org 500 stable security.debian.org 500 stable ftp-osl.osuosl.org 500 oldstable deb.debian.org 100 buster-backports ftp-osl.osuosl.org --- Package information. --- Depends (Version) | Installed -+-=== apt (>= 0.7.0) | 1.8.2.2 deborphan (>= 1.7) | 1.7.31 Recommends (Version) | Installed =-+-=== debsums | 2.2.3 Package's Suggests field is empty.
