Bug#302462: Please remove howl

[Jeff Waugh]

Hi,

I didn't realise I was a blocker on this, my apologies.

Please just completely remove howl. There's really no point putting it in
non-free.

Thanks,

- Jeff

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Bug#289856: howl (old bugs and non-free bug #289856)

[Jeff Waugh]

quote who=Don Armstrong

 Just wondering if you had heard anything from your sponsee (Jeff Waugh
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]) recently about howl and possibly getting some of
 the bug reports that have been filed against it fixed, especially #289856.
 [Otherwise, I guess the alternative is requesting that ftp-master remove
 the package.]
 
 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?src=howl
 
 As always, let me know if I can be of any assistance.

Howl is being removed from Debian (and Ubuntu). Please see the completed
discussion on #289856 about this.

  http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=289856

- Jeff

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Bug#289856: howl (old bugs and non-free bug #289856)

[Jeff Waugh]

quote who=Don Armstrong

 On Thu, 31 Mar 2005, Jeff Waugh wrote:
  Howl is being removed from Debian (and Ubuntu). Please see the completed
  discussion on #289856 about this.
 
 Yes, clearly I'm aware of the bug and the discussion... otherwise I'd be
 rather hard pressed to have Cc:'ed it.
 
 1) What is the current status? [295774-6 have all been closed.]
 
 2) When do you expect to clone this bug and reassign to ftp-master to
 request removal?

That has been done AFAIK.


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Bug#289856: mdnsresponder: Wrong license

[Jeff Waugh]

quote who=[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 There are not much zeroconf implementations. Only two aims at
 being free. The only alternative is :
 http://www.freedesktop.org/Software/Avahi
 The project is stalled for monthes.

I am in regular contact with the developer, and tracking its progress.

 Also what s wrong with howl implementation of zeroconf ? I agree
 that zeroconf itself may not be the best design and is by now way 
 undorsed by a ieee.

Howl is not a fantastic implementation (see nifd, mDNSResponder problems).

 When you are asking to remove howl to wait for a gpl implementation i
 guess there is a misunderstanding. Howl is developped to reimplement apple
 ASPL licenced version in GPL code.  My bet is if they did not reimplmented
 the last apple bits, 

Howl is not a GPL reimplementation of Apple's code. It was a direct copy of
early versions, modified to work interoperate with other systems, with a new
BSD-like client library. There was no intention of completely rewriting the
mDNSResponder.

 It is already usable under debian. libhowl is only required for
 service to auto publish themselves. An administrator can publish
 http, ftp, webdav service by hand even if the applications have
 no howl code linked.

It is the mDNSResponder license that is problematic, not the client library.

 If you know of a better alternative, it may have been a good idea to let
 gnome developpers know before they finished proting their plateform to
 this library.  gnome 2.6.9 is already in experimental. It may be a hard
 work for the gnome debian team to patch every upstream releases removing
 the howl bits.

It won't be significantly difficult. I'm the GNOME release manager, in close
communication with upstream and the Debian and Ubuntu GNOME teams.

 - there is only a GPL zeroconf implementation maintained
   It still have apple code but only in the server which is not
   need by applications linking to the library
   This code will be replaced asap

There is no fully working GPL implementation. Howl is not GPL.

 - gnome 2.6.10 will/is using howl extensively

It is an optional dependency of gnome-vfs. It is not using Howl extensively.

- Jeff

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