Bug#315467: missing kill-quagga-prompt when upgrading

2005-06-23 Thread Michael Horn
Please have a look at how openvpn is upgraded. people like you are the 
source of instability in the global routing table. Have a nice day.


regards Michael Horn
...who switched to lfs or openbgpd instead of debian.

p.s. you might want to read up a bit on how the world out there works 
before building crappy packets and annoying other people with 'em.

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Bug#315467: missing kill-quagga-prompt when upgrading

2005-06-22 Thread Michael Horn
Package: quagga
Version: 0.98.3-1
Severity: grave
Justification: causes non-serious data loss


updating quagga it removes all (163k) routes from the kernel without
prompting - this leads to extreme suffering in real-world scenarios.

-- System Information:
Debian Release: 3.1
  APT prefers testing
  APT policy: (500, 'testing')
Architecture: i386 (i686)
Kernel: Linux 2.6.7
Locale: LANG=C, LC_CTYPE=C (charmap=ANSI_X3.4-1968)

Versions of packages quagga depends on:
ii  debconf 1.4.30.13Debian configuration management sy
ii  iproute 20041019-3   Professional tools to control the 
ii  libc6   2.3.2.ds1-21 GNU C Library: Shared libraries an
ii  libcap1 1:1.10-14support for getting/setting POSIX.
ii  libncurses5 5.4-4Shared libraries for terminal hand
ii  libpam0g0.76-22  Pluggable Authentication Modules l
ii  libreadline44.3-11   GNU readline and history libraries
ii  libsnmp55.1.2-6.1NET SNMP (Simple Network Managemen
ii  libssl0.9.7 0.9.7e-3 SSL shared libraries
ii  logrotate   3.7-2Log rotation utility

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Bug#315467: missing kill-quagga-prompt when upgrading

2005-06-22 Thread Michael Horn

Hello Christian,

On Wed, 22 Jun 2005, Christian Hammers wrote:


Hello Michael

On 2005-06-22 Michael Horn wrote:

updating quagga it removes all (163k) routes from the kernel without
prompting - this leads to extreme suffering in real-world scenarios.


Eh? How exactly do you expect a server to get upgraded without getting
restarted? Or do you just mean it should just not delete the routes
when stopping?


is should ask the user if it should. possibly one could employ a way to do 
the update only on the next restart of the demon.



The latter is explained with the fact that Quagga cannot know from which
daemon a route has been inserted once it is there and would have severy
problems when starting up with all routes alredy present because even if
e.g. ospfd would be shutdown, it cannot safely decide if a given route
may now be killed if that route had already been present when Quagga had
been started.


yes - that's perfectly true.


You can normally assume that upgrading any Unix daemon means shutting it
down and afterwards restarting it again. Just like a Cisco router AFAIK
cannot be upgraded to a new IOS version while continuing to run.


cisco!=x86 quagga box ;)

after all - i just expect a software to warn me before it could cause 
severe problems like a restarting quagga. so the best way to prevent users 
from being scared to death would be if you warn them before you kill their 
routing demon.


regards,
Michael

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