Bug#1017829: elpa-ess: emacs-gtk 28.1 install fails with installed elpa-ess

2022-10-15 Thread Dirk Eddelbuettel


Salut Seb,

On 15 October 2022 at 10:16, Sébastien Villemot wrote:
| Thank you for your feedback, and for the good work you put into this
| package over the years!
| 
| I’m going to take it over as you suggest.

Awesome!

As an Emacs user I look forward to many more years with ESS on Debian and
Ubuntu and I will join Camm in the ranks for 'former ESS maintainers' :)
You know where upstream lives, and may already be on the low-volume ess-help
(and/or ess-announce) list(s) but it may make sense to lurk.

Cheers, Dirk

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Bug#1017829: elpa-ess: emacs-gtk 28.1 install fails with installed elpa-ess

2022-10-15 Thread Sébastien Villemot
Le vendredi 14 octobre 2022 à 13:33 -0500, Dirk Eddelbuettel a écrit :
> On 14 October 2022 at 20:10, Sébastien Villemot wrote:
> > Le dimanche 21 août 2022 à 09:17 -0500, Dirk Eddelbuettel a écrit :
> > > That is a problem, and it is somewhat know.  ESS used to release every 
> > > six or
> > > so months, now we are many years behind with no official release.  Your 
> > > best
> > > bet may be to install directly from melpa and removing the package.
> > > 
> > > I will bring this to the ESS list but last time this was brought up 
> > > everybody
> > > more or less agreed but no release tarball was made because "it's 
> > > complicated".
> > 
> > Would you be willing to consider shipping a snapshot of the git
> > repository (as is available on MELPA)? This would be a temporary
> > solution until upstream finally makes a formal release. Otherwise it
> > looks like ESS will not be part of bookworm…
> 
> Correct.
> 
> See https://stat.ethz.ch/pipermail/ess-help/2022-September/thread.html
> and _many_ earlier threads over the years bemoaning (in more polite words)
> the irritating stale mate among that team and the inability to make a release
> for four years now. (Mailmain archives are a pain to search but you know how
> to condition a search engine to a site etc.)
>  
> > Shipping a git snapshot is established practice in Debian, especially
> > for situations like the present one.
> > 
> > I am willing to help if needed.
> 
> I don't actually speak (e)lisp so I cannot help, and I have no appetite
> getting into issues with upstream.
> 
> If you want to take over the package, I would welcome that and happily pass
> it on to you. I was care taker for a while, but it may be time to pass that
> torch on.

Thank you for your feedback, and for the good work you put into this
package over the years!

I’m going to take it over as you suggest.

Amicalement,

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⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀  Sébastien Villemot
⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁  Debian Developer
⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀  https://sebastien.villemot.name
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Bug#1017829: elpa-ess: emacs-gtk 28.1 install fails with installed elpa-ess

2022-10-14 Thread Dirk Eddelbuettel


Salut Seb,

On 14 October 2022 at 20:10, Sébastien Villemot wrote:
| Hi Dirk!
| 
| Le dimanche 21 août 2022 à 09:17 -0500, Dirk Eddelbuettel a écrit :
| > That is a problem, and it is somewhat know.  ESS used to release every six 
or
| > so months, now we are many years behind with no official release.  Your best
| > bet may be to install directly from melpa and removing the package.
| > 
| > I will bring this to the ESS list but last time this was brought up 
everybody
| > more or less agreed but no release tarball was made because "it's 
complicated".
| 
| Would you be willing to consider shipping a snapshot of the git
| repository (as is available on MELPA)? This would be a temporary
| solution until upstream finally makes a formal release. Otherwise it
| looks like ESS will not be part of bookworm…

Correct.

See https://stat.ethz.ch/pipermail/ess-help/2022-September/thread.html
and _many_ earlier threads over the years bemoaning (in more polite words)
the irritating stale mate among that team and the inability to make a release
for four years now. (Mailmain archives are a pain to search but you know how
to condition a search engine to a site etc.)
 
| Shipping a git snapshot is established practice in Debian, especially
| for situations like the present one.
| 
| I am willing to help if needed.

I don't actually speak (e)lisp so I cannot help, and I have no appetite
getting into issues with upstream.

If you want to take over the package, I would welcome that and happily pass
it on to you. I was care taker for a while, but it may be time to pass that
torch on.

Amicalement,  Dirk

-- 
dirk.eddelbuettel.com | @eddelbuettel | e...@debian.org



Bug#1017829: elpa-ess: emacs-gtk 28.1 install fails with installed elpa-ess

2022-10-14 Thread Sébastien Villemot
Hi Dirk!

Le dimanche 21 août 2022 à 09:17 -0500, Dirk Eddelbuettel a écrit :
> That is a problem, and it is somewhat know.  ESS used to release every six or
> so months, now we are many years behind with no official release.  Your best
> bet may be to install directly from melpa and removing the package.
> 
> I will bring this to the ESS list but last time this was brought up everybody
> more or less agreed but no release tarball was made because "it's 
> complicated".

Would you be willing to consider shipping a snapshot of the git
repository (as is available on MELPA)? This would be a temporary
solution until upstream finally makes a formal release. Otherwise it
looks like ESS will not be part of bookworm…

Shipping a git snapshot is established practice in Debian, especially
for situations like the present one.

I am willing to help if needed.

Best wishes,

-- 
⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀  Sébastien Villemot
⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁  Debian Developer
⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀  https://sebastien.villemot.name
⠈⠳⣄  https://www.debian.org



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