Bug#242866: Closure

2008-05-16 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
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On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 04:11:15PM -0700, Larry Doolittle wrote:
On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 02:57:05PM +, maximilian attems wrote:

 As expected none of the vocal minority, aka Mr. Nerode and Mr. 
 Doolittle, demanding DFSG freeness helped to work out this transition 
 nor to cleanup the created mess.

IANADD, and never pretend to be.  I help out as much as I can [*],
and if you don't like me acting as a messenger in this case, tough
noogies.  I didn't write the DFSG.  The real blame here lies with
Linus's historical sloppiness in accepting non-DFSG-free code.
I hear he has improved his process this past couple of years.

Rest assured that max speaks on behalf of the Debian _kernel_ team, not 
all of Debian.

With this I do not mean to say that I disagree with max' interpretation 
of the DFSG or dislike his hard work on maintaining the kernel - only 
that I (and others, I suspect) dislike his way of treating those being 
so kind as to help filing bugreports with our system.


  - Jonas

Former member of the kernel team

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Bug#242866: Closure

2008-05-16 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 09:26:03AM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
 Rest assured that max speaks on behalf of the Debian _kernel_ team, not 
 all of Debian.

No, he speaks on behalf of himself.

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Bug#242866: Closure

2008-05-16 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 02:29:10AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
 On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 09:26:03AM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
  Rest assured that max speaks on behalf of the Debian _kernel_ team, not 
  all of Debian.
 
 No, he speaks on behalf of himself.

Well, together with waldi, he is the kernel team, or what is left of it.
And since waldi doesn't speak much, ...

Friendly,

Sven Luther



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Bug#242866: Closure

2008-05-15 Thread Larry Doolittle
On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 02:57:05PM +, maximilian attems wrote:
 The Debian Kernel Team is guilty of uploading a disjointed kernel.
 For the record Bastian Blank coded the infrastructure for the
 stripping and the stripping itself.
 [chop] In the long run it might be a win for Free Software -
 history will tell. In the short term this is an annoyance for existing
 hardware driver support.

I want to publicly congratulate the entire Kernel team for their
efforts, both on the firmware problem, and all the other issues
that come with dealing with such a large code base.  The results
are real and appreciated.

 As expected none of the vocal minority, aka Mr. Nerode and Mr.
 Doolittle, demanding DFSG freeness helped to work out this transition
 nor to cleanup the created mess. 

IANADD, and never pretend to be.  I help out as much as I can [*],
and if you don't like me acting as a messenger in this case, tough
noogies.  I didn't write the DFSG.  The real blame here lies with
Linus's historical sloppiness in accepting non-DFSG-free code.
I hear he has improved his process this past couple of years.

   - Larry Doolittle

[*] and yes, that includes developing, debugging, and releasing Free
Software, not just complaining.  Anyone with two minutes and Google
can confirm that.



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