Bug#457461: Please reevaluate bug#457461

2008-07-15 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
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Hi,

Andreas Barth requested to keep severity of bug#457461 until either 
bugreporter or someone from the release team agreed to lower it.

So, do anyone from the release team (or bugreporter) agree that the 
severity of this bugreport is uncalled for by now?



Kind regards,

   - Jonas

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Bug#457461: [Yaird-devel] Bug#457461: Please reevaluate bug#457461

2008-07-15 Thread maximilian attems
hello,

thanks for the information.

On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 10:59:00AM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
 Andreas Barth requested to keep severity of bug#457461 until either 
 bugreporter or someone from the release team agreed to lower it.
 
 So, do anyone from the release team (or bugreporter) agree that the 
 severity of this bugreport is uncalled for by now?

haven't looked at the codebase since longer so taking the changelog
entries for granted.

* cmdline - ignores any of the boot passed arguments
  even critical ones like root, rootfs or rootdelay

on the TODO of the webpage, unchanged status.

* missing debian arch support - for example s390

you still pretend to work everywhere

* UUID, Label - apparently only works for some fs

no status change, although this is even more grave
as grub switched to use UUID by default.
i guess this gets ignored in the same away as aboves.

the debian kernel team actively encourages users to use UUID,
in order to have stable boot devices. sooner or later d-i
should also switch to use UUID.

* missing firmware - several scsi drivers need firmware inside initramfs
  no loader on initramfs nor any mechanism to add it

argh *documenting* your behaviour is not going to rock.
an initramfs is expected to load the driver without
users having to fiddle config files. there are several
scsi drivers that needs it. modinfo tells it.

modern linux drivers have separated firmware and we in debian
always asked for it so this needs to be supported out of the box.

* missing cryptsetup support see #336599
* no dmraid support
* no usplash support

no change

* brutal hardcoding - breaks ony every new linux image
  either due to /proc, /sys or /boot/config hardcoded parsing
  see #443821 for the latest 2.6.23 variation

after *years* of complaining upstream finally lowered the
severity of the INPUT device warning. *ouf* thanks!!
this should help not breaking installs of linux images.

* dead upstream - 24 debian revisions

one release after 2 years


well from my side no cake, 2 points out of 9 got worked on.
the most grave being no firmware support for loading your root
device.

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Bug#457461: [Yaird-devel] Bug#457461: Please reevaluate bug#457461

2008-07-15 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
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Oh, and I forgot to mention what I assumed was obvious:

  * Please focus on this meta-claim of too many bugs possibly not RC
by themselves but together making yaird RC.

  * Please discuss details of each issue at the bugreport filed/forked
to track that specific issue.


On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 11:41:35AM +0200, maximilian attems wrote:

haven't looked at the codebase since longer so taking the changelog
entries for granted.

Please use the Debian BTS as primary source of bug status!


* cmdline - ignores any of the boot passed arguments
  even critical ones like root, rootfs or rootdelay

on the TODO of the webpage, unchanged status.

Minor: http://bugs.debian.org/340759


* missing debian arch support - for example s390

you still pretend to work everywhere

Serious: http://bugs.debian.org/457461


* UUID, Label - apparently only works for some fs

Wishlist: http://bugs.debian.org/337065

Details snipped: Please file at above bugreport, not here!


* missing firmware - several scsi drivers need firmware inside initramfs
  no loader on initramfs nor any mechanism to add it

Fixed: http://bugs.debian.org/337065

Details snipped: Please file at above bugreport, not here!


* missing cryptsetup support see #336599

Fixed (cryptsetup generally): http://bugs.debian.org/457464

Wishlist (dm-crypt specifically): http://bugs.debian.org/336599


* no dmraid support

Normal: http://bugs.debian.org/337724


* no usplash support

Wishlist: http://bugs.debian.org/457466


* brutal hardcoding - breaks ony every new linux image
  either due to /proc, /sys or /boot/config hardcoded parsing
  see #443821 for the latest 2.6.23 variation

Fixed: http://bugs.debian.org/457467

Details snipped: Please file at above bugreport, not here!


* dead upstream - 24 debian revisions

Fixed: http://bugs.debian.org/457468

Details snipped: Please file at above bugreport, not here!


well from my side no cake, 2 points out of 9 got worked on.
the most grave being no firmware support for loading your root
device.

Thanks for your input, Max.  Please file at proper bugreports next time!


Do anyone from the release team consider this bug as non-RC, then please 
speak up.


  - Jonas

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Bug#457461: [Yaird-devel] Bug#457461: Bug#457461: Please reevaluate bug#457461

2008-07-15 Thread maximilian attems
hello,

On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 01:45:23PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
   * Please discuss details of each issue at the bugreport filed/forked
 to track that specific issue.

your aggressive snipping makes you look better then you are,
not okay.
 
 
 On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 11:41:35AM +0200, maximilian attems wrote:
 
 haven't looked at the codebase since longer so taking the changelog
 entries for granted.
 
 Please use the Debian BTS as primary source of bug status!
 
 
 * cmdline - ignores any of the boot passed arguments
   even critical ones like root, rootfs or rootdelay
 
 on the TODO of the webpage, unchanged status.
 
 Minor: http://bugs.debian.org/340759

at least important, but falls more under grave.
 
 
 * missing debian arch support - for example s390
 
 you still pretend to work everywhere
 
 Serious: http://bugs.debian.org/457461

ack
 
 
 * UUID, Label - apparently only works for some fs
 
 Wishlist: http://bugs.debian.org/337065
 
 Details snipped: Please file at above bugreport, not here!

again severly underflated, /etc/fstab *needs* to work with UUID.
 
 
 * missing firmware - several scsi drivers need firmware inside initramfs
   no loader on initramfs nor any mechanism to add it
 
 Fixed: http://bugs.debian.org/337065
 
 Details snipped: Please file at above bugreport, not here!

not fixed, you don't load firmware out of the box.
reopend and this one is grave.

why don't you use modinfo output to add the firmware in the initramfs?
 
 
 * missing cryptsetup support see #336599
 
 Fixed (cryptsetup generally): http://bugs.debian.org/457464
 
 Wishlist (dm-crypt specifically): http://bugs.debian.org/336599

highly doubt your optimistic views, anyway important.
 
 
 * no dmraid support
 
 Normal: http://bugs.debian.org/337724

again important
 
 
 * no usplash support
 
 Wishlist: http://bugs.debian.org/457466

ack
 
 
 * brutal hardcoding - breaks ony every new linux image
   either due to /proc, /sys or /boot/config hardcoded parsing
   see #443821 for the latest 2.6.23 variation
 
 Fixed: http://bugs.debian.org/457467
 
 Details snipped: Please file at above bugreport, not here!

ack on progress.
afais you still rely on /boot/config parsing,
finaly one /proc parsing error got reducedd to a warning.
 
 
 * dead upstream - 24 debian revisions
 
 Fixed: http://bugs.debian.org/457468
 
 Details snipped: Please file at above bugreport, not here!
 
 
 well from my side no cake, 2 points out of 9 got worked on.
 the most grave being no firmware support for loading your root
 device.
 
 Thanks for your input, Max.  Please file at proper bugreports next time!

please spend more time on fixing code.

repeating that on my side the firmware loading is grave enough
to consider yaird not fit for a release.
will not waste more time on this evaluation unless explictly asked.

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Bug#457461: [Yaird-devel] Bug#457461: Bug#457461: Please reevaluate bug#457461

2008-07-15 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
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On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 02:26:48PM +0200, maximilian attems wrote:
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 01:45:23PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
   * Please discuss details of each issue at the bugreport 
 filed/forked to track that specific issue.

your aggressive snipping makes you look better then you are,
not okay.

Your comments reflects your personal opinion, not factual state of 
affairs for the packaging of yaird.

Please help work on each bug instead of throwing vague opinions about 
them here.


To remind you: This bugreport is not to discuss the details of any and 
all bugs in yaird.  Rather, it is to discuss wether or not the *state* 
of yaird bugs as a whole is reason to keep yaird from getting included 
in an official Debian release.


will not waste more time on this evaluation unless explictly asked.

Then don't.

My request for re-evaluation was mainly aimed at the release managers.


  - Jonas

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